VA Weighs Sale After Receiving Interest
03-29-2016, 05:20 PM
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Lol are you guys touting our industry leading PEA??? Why didn't I think of that? Thank god we have that! Why the heck did we vote in ALPA when we had such a strong enforceable "employment agreement". Now that is delusional.
Both groups ALPA. Both will go with the ALPA SLI policy. I don't see how that can even be argued.
A pure percentage integration cannot be expected by the VX guys though. Like I said about 20 pages ago I think that taking each list and split it by seat then start say 20% down each list and integrate the VX guys on a percentage basis. Protects our Captains that have been here for 15+ years and also protects our senior FO's that have chosen not to upgrade for QOL. Then put up fences around all domiciles for 5 years.
Both groups ALPA. Both will go with the ALPA SLI policy. I don't see how that can even be argued.
A pure percentage integration cannot be expected by the VX guys though. Like I said about 20 pages ago I think that taking each list and split it by seat then start say 20% down each list and integrate the VX guys on a percentage basis. Protects our Captains that have been here for 15+ years and also protects our senior FO's that have chosen not to upgrade for QOL. Then put up fences around all domiciles for 5 years.
03-29-2016, 05:27 PM
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This really sheds light on how amazingly amazing some of you people are. There is something to be said for guys working at JetBlue before VX even existed. There is also something to be said for the senior guys here that left other companies to help create the VX of today. A proper integration should marginally hurt any one pilot's seniority and QOL at worst. Not that I'm advocating it and assuming we don't shrink, if, and that's a big if, this does come to fruition, even a complete relative seniority list integration wouldn't significantly hurt any one on either side. They would still be bidding the same percentage, holding the same trips, vacation, etc. Not only that, but even just keeping your relative position in the new company, your QOL would be increased. You'd have a stronger company with increased job stability, more bases to choose from, more places to fly to including an approved ETOPs program and many other benefits you get with an increased economy of scale and the synergy created by merging two profitable companies. (11.6% operating margin for VX is pretty good. Not quite as good as JB this year, but better than they did last year.)
I don't understand why you'd want to staple someone when you'd be no worse than you currently are by embracing your future coworkers and trying to create the least damaging solution for everyone you will be working with. What happens if your company gets gobbled up in 5,10,20 years from now and you have to start all over?
Though our companies are similar in many respects, there are many differences affecting the career progression and QOL each pilot group has or could have expected. The solution should be somewhere in the middle. The JetBlue pilots I know certainly don't want to screw us at Virgin, but they rightfully don't want to be screwed themselves. I think both sides of this discussion have been a bit abrasive and I hope the VX and JB pilots can see the people commenting here represent themselves, not their pilot group.
I don't understand why you'd want to staple someone when you'd be no worse than you currently are by embracing your future coworkers and trying to create the least damaging solution for everyone you will be working with. What happens if your company gets gobbled up in 5,10,20 years from now and you have to start all over?
Though our companies are similar in many respects, there are many differences affecting the career progression and QOL each pilot group has or could have expected. The solution should be somewhere in the middle. The JetBlue pilots I know certainly don't want to screw us at Virgin, but they rightfully don't want to be screwed themselves. I think both sides of this discussion have been a bit abrasive and I hope the VX and JB pilots can see the people commenting here represent themselves, not their pilot group.
+1. Great post
03-29-2016, 05:34 PM
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This really sheds light on how amazingly amazing some of you people are. There is something to be said for guys working at JetBlue before VX even existed. There is also something to be said for the senior guys here that left other companies to help create the VX of today. A proper integration should marginally hurt any one pilot's seniority and QOL at worst. Not that I'm advocating it and assuming we don't shrink, if, and that's a big if, this does come to fruition, even a complete relative seniority list integration wouldn't significantly hurt any one on either side. They would still be bidding the same percentage, holding the same trips, vacation, etc. Not only that, but even just keeping your relative position in the new company, your QOL would be increased. You'd have a stronger company with increased job stability, more bases to choose from, more places to fly to including an approved ETOPs program and many other benefits you get with an increased economy of scale and the synergy created by merging two profitable companies. (11.6% operating margin for VX is pretty good. Not quite as good as JB this year, but better than they did last year.)
I don't understand why you'd want to staple someone when you'd be no worse than you currently are by embracing your future coworkers and trying to create the least damaging solution for everyone you will be working with. What happens if your company gets gobbled up in 5,10,20 years from now and you have to start all over?
Though our companies are similar in many respects, there are many differences affecting the career progression and QOL each pilot group has or could have expected. The solution should be somewhere in the middle. The JetBlue pilots I know certainly don't want to screw us at Virgin, but they rightfully don't want to be screwed themselves. I think both sides of this discussion have been a bit abrasive and I hope the VX and JB pilots can see the people commenting here represent themselves, not their pilot group.
I don't understand why you'd want to staple someone when you'd be no worse than you currently are by embracing your future coworkers and trying to create the least damaging solution for everyone you will be working with. What happens if your company gets gobbled up in 5,10,20 years from now and you have to start all over?
Though our companies are similar in many respects, there are many differences affecting the career progression and QOL each pilot group has or could have expected. The solution should be somewhere in the middle. The JetBlue pilots I know certainly don't want to screw us at Virgin, but they rightfully don't want to be screwed themselves. I think both sides of this discussion have been a bit abrasive and I hope the VX and JB pilots can see the people commenting here represent themselves, not their pilot group.
Great post. There is also something to be said for paragrapghs.
Couldn't resist.
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03-29-2016, 05:49 PM
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03-29-2016, 05:55 PM
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So, at the risk of asking an intelligent question in this food fight, why would there need to be fences around domiciles. I've never been through this but most airlines I've worked for did not allow awarding of domiciles unless a vacancy became available. Is this otherwise in a merger?
03-29-2016, 06:12 PM
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This thread is pure comedy.
Shyguy, you're delusional.
It's been funny to watch the Bluejet pilots board as this thread has developed. The general consensus has changed based on the VA pilots posting in this thread. It's gone from sort of reasonable to F them staple or maybe a preferential interview. I know it's hard to see from the inside but the VA pilots are not career equals.
Shyguy, you're delusional.
It's been funny to watch the Bluejet pilots board as this thread has developed. The general consensus has changed based on the VA pilots posting in this thread. It's gone from sort of reasonable to F them staple or maybe a preferential interview. I know it's hard to see from the inside but the VA pilots are not career equals.
flying, pay not too far apart. What am I missing here that makes JetBlue so superior to Virgin in career comparison's?
03-29-2016, 06:37 PM
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03-29-2016, 06:37 PM
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Maintaining the status quo, I can easily see JetBlue surviving the next 5 years.
Virgin America? In a word: "No."
03-29-2016, 06:40 PM
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