VA Weighs Sale After Receiving Interest
03-29-2016, 05:59 AM
#201
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Not only screw the VA guys but also screw everyone hired after 2007 at JB. This is exactly what I hate about the airlines. The entitlement, and it starts getting real bad when someone moves to the left seat, and keep in mind that move is only based on when you got hired it's not based on skill or merit. The 2007 time frame is about the cut off for left seat at JB with no by passing. So how typical it would be suggested. Let's hope that there is never a merger between JB and a legacy, would the same guys be ok with American not intigrating the list until 1999. Lol, some of you people are a disgrace, and have the "I got mine screw you" outlook on things. Your fine with a bigger and stronger company, but relative seniority is not enough for you. Disgusting!
03-29-2016, 06:01 AM
#202
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If Southwest bought us would you be making the same argument? Or would you think that we should be behind all of their pilots hired after we started? That would be a downgrade for most of our Captains. Too much emotion is right. Take it away and look at it objectively. I'm a JetBlue guy and I think relative seniority integration by seat is the only fair way to do it. Then put fences up for upgrade for JetBlue guys because our upgrade time is significantly shorter and fences around all domiciles. All for five years.
You can all send me a check for $5 for saving us probably one million dollars on negotiations.
You can all send me a check for $5 for saving us probably one million dollars on negotiations.
I agree the fences would stay up for years which would aide in the transition, but the integration would eventually happen.....and while I'd love to be integrated with direct relative seniority, I wouldn't expect it to be that way.
03-29-2016, 06:07 AM
#203
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What's so classless? No one is advocating a 100% staple job. No one is saying, "Give em preferential interviews".....there's going to be an integration, but it's not going to be pure relative seniority either.
Do you really think a guy from VA with top 5% seniority hired in 2007/8 should be slotted in the top 150 at JB? Really?
I get there's going to be hurt feelings over this...there always are....but take emotion of this and look at it objectively......
Do you really think a guy from VA with top 5% seniority hired in 2007/8 should be slotted in the top 150 at JB? Really?
I get there's going to be hurt feelings over this...there always are....but take emotion of this and look at it objectively......
Yes I do, and why not? The 2007/8 guy at VA has the same quality of life as the 99/00 hire at JB. The VA guy has stayed where he works because he is the top %. If you 5%, 10% 90%, it doesn't matter what year you got hired, people came to places like JB and VA and stayed for that seniority instead of going somewhere else where the compensation is better. Let's not be buddy fuc^ers. If a 2007 guy at JB is 48% and is 48% after a hypothetical merger. How is that hurting him? You would rather see a top 10% VA guy drop to 50% so the JB guy can advance to 35%, that's just plain dumb.
03-29-2016, 06:10 AM
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As a JetBlue guy I am embarrassed about some of the comments said on our behalf , I ll apologize for them , all of this is so far out of our control why creat hostility so soon in the game?!?
Hence ......
I can't think of anything useful or related to bring to this argument
so I'm just going to post a Blueberry pancake recipe.
1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1 1/4 teaspoons white sugar
1 egg
1 cup milk
1/2 tablespoon butter, melted
1/2 cup fresh or frozen blueberries, thawed
1. In a large bowl, sift together flour, salt, baking powder, baking soda and sugar. In a small bowl, beat together egg and milk. Stir milk and egg into flour mixture. Mix in the butter and fold in the blueberries. Set aside for 1 hour
2. Heat a lightly oiled griddle. or frying pan over medium high heat. Pour or scoop the batter onto the griddle, using approximately 1/4 cup for each pancake. Brown on both sides and serve. Enjoy
Hence ......
I can't think of anything useful or related to bring to this argument
so I'm just going to post a Blueberry pancake recipe.
1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1 1/4 teaspoons white sugar
1 egg
1 cup milk
1/2 tablespoon butter, melted
1/2 cup fresh or frozen blueberries, thawed
1. In a large bowl, sift together flour, salt, baking powder, baking soda and sugar. In a small bowl, beat together egg and milk. Stir milk and egg into flour mixture. Mix in the butter and fold in the blueberries. Set aside for 1 hour
2. Heat a lightly oiled griddle. or frying pan over medium high heat. Pour or scoop the batter onto the griddle, using approximately 1/4 cup for each pancake. Brown on both sides and serve. Enjoy
03-29-2016, 06:11 AM
#206
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You guys need to seriously relax. This hasn't even happened and you already taking up arms. Precedent from past mergers and acquisitions don't always follow course. That is why they have all been so different. I've been through an arbitrated SLI and it sucks for everyone except número uno. Period.
I know one thing. As a B6 pilot, I'm glad our PEA isn't guiding senority list intigration anymore, or some joker in a suit or skinny jeans in Long Island City would be playing roulette with all of our career expectations and senority.
All in all, if it happens I think it would be good for both groups.
I know one thing. As a B6 pilot, I'm glad our PEA isn't guiding senority list intigration anymore, or some joker in a suit or skinny jeans in Long Island City would be playing roulette with all of our career expectations and senority.
All in all, if it happens I think it would be good for both groups.
03-29-2016, 06:14 AM
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I find it comical the JetBlue guys on here actin like they are Southwest in their assertion that VA is some bottom feeder that brings nothing to the table. Jetblue is exactly in the same boat as VA. Jetblues West coast op is as small and insignificant as VAs East coast op. VA is West and JetBlue is East. Jetblue might be bigger but they also have tons of Rjs while VA is an all Airbus fleet.
I can't imagine how anyone could argue anything other than relative seniority. Jetblue guys shouldn't flatter themselves.
I can't imagine how anyone could argue anything other than relative seniority. Jetblue guys shouldn't flatter themselves.
03-29-2016, 06:23 AM
#208
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I find it comical the JetBlue guys on here actin like they are Southwest in their assertion that VA is some bottom feeder that brings nothing to the table. Jetblue is exactly in the same boat as VA. Jetblues West coast op is as small and insignificant as VAs East coast op. VA is West and JetBlue is East. Jetblue might be bigger but they also have tons of Rjs while VA is an all Airbus fleet.
I can't imagine how anyone could argue anything other than relative seniority. Jetblue guys shouldn't flatter themselves.
I can't imagine how anyone could argue anything other than relative seniority. Jetblue guys shouldn't flatter themselves.
03-29-2016, 06:23 AM
#209
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I had to sit next to a CA who said "windfall". I set him straight. DOH does not matter. The number on the list matters a little. The most important thing is that percentage on the combined list stays approximately the same for both groups regardless of who started when.
Having gone through the XJ/9L/9E integration, the thing I would change is the fence. There should be no fence whatsoever. Everyone is panicked (before an actual merger even) that they'll lose bidding power. Newsflash: #1 VX guy can bid pairings and so can #1 B6. If the number 2 guy at B6 becomes #3 (a shift from .06% on the list to .07%), that's 4 trips a month that might go senior to him. BFD...
No staple, and no SWA/AT style. I'll be voicing my opinion to my reps that we not elect guys who want to screw over the smaller group. My voice will counter yours, grim.
As an aside, the vocal JB guys here saying DOH are probably the same ones who have the mainline JB versus regional JB mentality because they fly the "Bus". Prove me wrong. Most 190 guys I fly with notice this.
Having gone through the XJ/9L/9E integration, the thing I would change is the fence. There should be no fence whatsoever. Everyone is panicked (before an actual merger even) that they'll lose bidding power. Newsflash: #1 VX guy can bid pairings and so can #1 B6. If the number 2 guy at B6 becomes #3 (a shift from .06% on the list to .07%), that's 4 trips a month that might go senior to him. BFD...
No staple, and no SWA/AT style. I'll be voicing my opinion to my reps that we not elect guys who want to screw over the smaller group. My voice will counter yours, grim.
As an aside, the vocal JB guys here saying DOH are probably the same ones who have the mainline JB versus regional JB mentality because they fly the "Bus". Prove me wrong. Most 190 guys I fly with notice this.
03-29-2016, 06:25 AM
#210
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As a JetBlue guy I am embarrassed about some of the comments said on our behalf , I ll apologize for them , all of this is so far out of our control why creat hostility so soon in the game?!?
Hence ......
I can't think of anything useful or related to bring to this argument
so I'm just going to post a Blueberry pancake recipe.
1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1 1/4 teaspoons white sugar
1 egg
1 cup milk
1/2 tablespoon butter, melted
1/2 cup fresh or frozen blueberries, thawed
1. In a large bowl, sift together flour, salt, baking powder, baking soda and sugar. In a small bowl, beat together egg and milk. Stir milk and egg into flour mixture. Mix in the butter and fold in the blueberries. Set aside for 1 hour
2. Heat a lightly oiled griddle. or frying pan over medium high heat. Pour or scoop the batter onto the griddle, using approximately 1/4 cup for each pancake. Brown on both sides and serve. Enjoy
Hence ......
I can't think of anything useful or related to bring to this argument
so I'm just going to post a Blueberry pancake recipe.
1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1 1/4 teaspoons white sugar
1 egg
1 cup milk
1/2 tablespoon butter, melted
1/2 cup fresh or frozen blueberries, thawed
1. In a large bowl, sift together flour, salt, baking powder, baking soda and sugar. In a small bowl, beat together egg and milk. Stir milk and egg into flour mixture. Mix in the butter and fold in the blueberries. Set aside for 1 hour
2. Heat a lightly oiled griddle. or frying pan over medium high heat. Pour or scoop the batter onto the griddle, using approximately 1/4 cup for each pancake. Brown on both sides and serve. Enjoy
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