VA Weighs Sale After Receiving Interest
03-29-2016, 04:12 AM
#182
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VA Weighs Sale After Receiving Interest
I don't see how this would be any different than swa/at. It may even be worse. Atleast AT had money for more than a few quarters.
Your principal owners are begging for someone to buy you in whole or IN PEICES according to the articles. Career expectations are one of the three major items listed in the ALPA merger policy, along with longevity.
To suggest your guys should go relative with out guys hired before 2007 is insane.
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Your principal owners are begging for someone to buy you in whole or IN PEICES according to the articles. Career expectations are one of the three major items listed in the ALPA merger policy, along with longevity.
To suggest your guys should go relative with out guys hired before 2007 is insane.
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03-29-2016, 04:25 AM
#183
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I've got to agree.
IF this happens then the JB ALPA merger reps will meet with the VA ALPA merger reps to negotiate a SLI. The line pilots have zero say in the matter, so let's avoid destroying each other considering we could be sharing a cockpit very soon.
IF this happens then the JB ALPA merger reps will meet with the VA ALPA merger reps to negotiate a SLI. The line pilots have zero say in the matter, so let's avoid destroying each other considering we could be sharing a cockpit very soon.
03-29-2016, 04:42 AM
#184
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You guys crack me up. Talk about peeing in the wind! There's not even a concrete deal on the table and you're already working hard to ******* your buddies. LOL!
So laughable coming from an airline that is what, 11 years old? You are acting like a petulant teenager, though.
Obviously.
Be sure, AS just wants the deal to eliminate you from the picture.
Best advice in this whole, stupid thread. Calm down everybody. When I was in the Navy, the Piedmont/USAir SLI merger was going down. Depending on the people in the room, you could start and actual fistfight by opening the door and either saying "ratio" or "Date of Hire."
Chill out, boys.
The best point of the whole deal is a AT/SWA style deal isn't even a possibility given ALPA merger/frag policy. One of the biggest considerations since the aborted United/USAir merger in the early '90s was the substitution of "career expectations" for "date of hire". And "career expections" is dog whistle language for "When I can hold widebodies." Both of your career expectation is A320 CA so its a non-player.
How about this:
1. No bump, no flush. That means everyone holding a Captain job in their respective fleet doesn't lose it unless he bids off it.
2. Straight DoH.
No one loses anything. With #1 you don't even need fences since widebody equipment isn't an issue.
Again, listen to Fred Flintstone. He's the only one who seems rational here. Save yourself some anxiety.
So laughable coming from an airline that is what, 11 years old? You are acting like a petulant teenager, though.
Obviously.
grim04, have you ever been through this before? No sense getting worked up too soon as this just may be the investors shaking the trees for $$ and not getting what they want. OTOH if it does start rolling we hope it is B6 as AS just wants to stop you and kill us.
Be sure, AS just wants the deal to eliminate you from the picture.
I've been through the SLI drill 3 times so far, so sit at the table, pour a stiff one, ante up and wait for the cards to be dealt. Cover your cards and try to hold a poker face, OK? Maybe we can both get real pilot uniforms out of this!
Chill out, boys.
The best point of the whole deal is a AT/SWA style deal isn't even a possibility given ALPA merger/frag policy. One of the biggest considerations since the aborted United/USAir merger in the early '90s was the substitution of "career expectations" for "date of hire". And "career expections" is dog whistle language for "When I can hold widebodies." Both of your career expectation is A320 CA so its a non-player.
How about this:
1. No bump, no flush. That means everyone holding a Captain job in their respective fleet doesn't lose it unless he bids off it.
2. Straight DoH.
No one loses anything. With #1 you don't even need fences since widebody equipment isn't an issue.
Again, listen to Fred Flintstone. He's the only one who seems rational here. Save yourself some anxiety.
03-29-2016, 04:44 AM
#185
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I agree 100%. As someone else said, if this does go through (it's a huge if) I really hope we, as a collective pilot group, don't end up miserable and hating each other. Why not do a Delta/NWA style merger? Quarter each list and merge each quarter in a manner that ALPA chooses.
IMHO, having a strong and unified pilot group that looks after each other and has an industry leading contract is more important than 30-50 spots of seniority for me (I don't expect everyone to feel the same way).
Note: I'm still not sold that this will happen.
IMHO, having a strong and unified pilot group that looks after each other and has an industry leading contract is more important than 30-50 spots of seniority for me (I don't expect everyone to feel the same way).
Note: I'm still not sold that this will happen.
Bunker I'm not sure you have read through this whole thread like you said you did. I pasted a paragraph directly from the ALPA merger policy that states that it doesn't matter what it's called, merger acquisition, buyout. The ALPA SLI will apply. What reason would either side have not to follow that policy?
This is simple stuff people. It amazes me the amount of Jetblue guys arguing to screw the VA guys. It's embarrassing.
03-29-2016, 04:47 AM
#186
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03-29-2016, 05:04 AM
#189
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03-29-2016, 05:09 AM
#190
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Since you both are ALPA, even if you both still don't have a PWA (CBA,) the merger policy applies. Category and class. You may not like it, and you can rail and utter, "acquisition" as much as you want. In the end, the arbitrator will decide for you and you will either accept it and move on or be bitter and miserable about the results for the rest of your career.
FWIW, I think you guys are at least a year ahead of the curve on the carping. That's even if this thing is for real.
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