A tale of two new hires. Let it be a warning.
10-07-2015, 06:31 AM
#63
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Don't be so sure. At said airline, before start checklists were subsequently amended to include PEDs off.
I had a captain (PF) answer a call from his wife on short final (<500 ft). He said your airplane. It was important, happened once and was no big deal in the scheme of things.
Check ride or on probation...
I had a captain (PF) answer a call from his wife on short final (<500 ft). He said your airplane. It was important, happened once and was no big deal in the scheme of things.
Check ride or on probation...
Pretty much all PEDs have wireless capability (phone, notebook, camera, kindle, smart watch, etc) and the law makes NO EXCEPTION for being in airplane mode...it's not whether the wireless is used, it's whether the device itself is used. Even using your phone's calculator in airplane mode after shutting the door is illegal (no allowance for stopped vs. moving). Only exception is for devices and activities approved in your FOM/SOP (my company was pretty quick to amend the FOM to allow phone calls to DX/MX with the parking brake set...)
"Wireless Capability" is poorly defined by reference to FCC regs. I *think* the FAA meant anything with cell or wifi capability, but the actual language seems to refer specifically to cell network capability. You might win in court on a technicality. Maybe.
Have fun with that...
10-07-2015, 07:14 AM
#65
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A recent federal law (and associated language in FAR 121) makes it illegal (between block out and block in) for cockpit crew to use a device with a "wireless capability". It's also specifically illegal for the PIC to allow it, so turning a blind eye to your FO's texting is now a federal felony!
Pretty much all PEDs have wireless capability (phone, notebook, camera, kindle, smart watch, etc) and the law makes NO EXCEPTION for being in airplane mode...it's not whether the wireless is used, it's whether the device itself is used. Even using your phone's calculator in airplane mode after shutting the door is illegal (no allowance for stopped vs. moving). Only exception is for devices and activities approved in your FOM/SOP (my company was pretty quick to amend the FOM to allow phone calls to DX/MX with the parking brake set...)
"Wireless Capability" is poorly defined by reference to FCC regs. I *think* the FAA meant anything with cell or wifi capability, but the actual language seems to refer specifically to cell network capability. You might win in court on a technicality. Maybe.
Have fun with that...
Pretty much all PEDs have wireless capability (phone, notebook, camera, kindle, smart watch, etc) and the law makes NO EXCEPTION for being in airplane mode...it's not whether the wireless is used, it's whether the device itself is used. Even using your phone's calculator in airplane mode after shutting the door is illegal (no allowance for stopped vs. moving). Only exception is for devices and activities approved in your FOM/SOP (my company was pretty quick to amend the FOM to allow phone calls to DX/MX with the parking brake set...)
"Wireless Capability" is poorly defined by reference to FCC regs. I *think* the FAA meant anything with cell or wifi capability, but the actual language seems to refer specifically to cell network capability. You might win in court on a technicality. Maybe.
Have fun with that...
10-07-2015, 07:15 AM
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10-07-2015, 07:37 AM
#67
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Read my post again, but this time pay attention to what I wrote. You owe me that much before you make snide remarks.
10-07-2015, 07:39 AM
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Pretty much all PEDs have wireless capability (phone, notebook, camera, kindle, smart watch, etc) and the law makes NO EXCEPTION for being in airplane mode...it's not whether the wireless is used, it's whether the device itself is used. Even using your phone's calculator in airplane mode after shutting the door is illegal (no allowance for stopped vs. moving). Only exception is for devices and activities approved in your FOM/SOP (my company was pretty quick to amend the FOM to allow phone calls to DX/MX with the parking brake set...)
"Wireless Capability" is poorly defined by reference to FCC regs. I *think* the FAA meant anything with cell or wifi capability, but the actual language seems to refer specifically to cell network capability. You might win in court on a technicality. Maybe.
Have fun with that...
"Wireless Capability" is poorly defined by reference to FCC regs. I *think* the FAA meant anything with cell or wifi capability, but the actual language seems to refer specifically to cell network capability. You might win in court on a technicality. Maybe.
Have fun with that...
10-07-2015, 07:40 AM
#69
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The new rule -- prohibiting flashlight and calculator functions -- is the epitome of bureaucratic ineptitude.
10-07-2015, 07:45 AM
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