DL International Cuts
04-18-2015, 08:04 AM
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Virgin is parking them all in the next 3 years. Everyone is parking their 747's. Their used value is essentially scrap unless they are very low cycle late models that might get picked up for cargo conversion. KLM and AF are also accelerating their whale retirements.
04-18-2015, 08:15 AM
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There is legit concern about the one sided nature of these JV's. Maybe one day when our "half" is defined as greater than 50% for 4 years to a point the other airlines have to file a grievance it won't be as much of a concern.
04-18-2015, 08:37 AM
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That may be, but that's not the main point they were trying to make WRT that issue. It isn't the 747 so much as it is that much capacity doing something while we do nothing. If they pull 4 whales in that market and add 5 or 6 smaller widebodies, the point still stands. We may be doing a seasonal single flight a day on that market now, but if so its only to bare bones balance other places they've recently added into our markets they didn't do before.
There is legit concern about the one sided nature of these JV's. Maybe one day when our "half" is defined as greater than 50% for 4 years to a point the other airlines have to file a grievance it won't be as much of a concern.
There is legit concern about the one sided nature of these JV's. Maybe one day when our "half" is defined as greater than 50% for 4 years to a point the other airlines have to file a grievance it won't be as much of a concern.
04-18-2015, 09:27 AM
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04-18-2015, 09:48 AM
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747s don't make any money (why else would everybody be getting rid of them?). And MCO is a throwaway market. Unless you hit it with huge volume there is nothing to be made there. It'd be interesting to see the RASM on that route.
04-18-2015, 09:52 AM
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No, no trouble. Minor setback I would say but nothing to worry about. With a worldwide recession about to hit full stride, this might be the setback that we are looking for in order to prove the DAL plan. I have no idea where you work, but whatever company it is better take a hard look at their balance sheet. I know AAL is going the wrong way. Not sure about UAL. Labor isues are a mosquito on the elephant's butt in this equation.
04-18-2015, 10:49 AM
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One bummer is that fewer and fewer DAL pilots can have the reasonable career expectation of being a WB Captain. Seems those jobs are just as many numbers away even with all the recent hiring. Will that make the seniority integration with AS more difficult?
04-18-2015, 11:29 AM
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Edit: 7ERA is down to 7000. We will be retiring a HUGE portion of the seniority list in the next 15 years. Pretty sure the math works for more and more on the list to be making WB captain, AND to be making it far sooner than those of us now in the seats did.
04-18-2015, 12:08 PM
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The current price of fuel is making them even more profitable now. Unfortunately, that doesn't help the cost of the heavy checks that would need to begin in 2016.
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