Age 60 legislation is alive and moving forward
01-20-2007, 09:12 AM
#71
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Position: Retired
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Um, sure, if you say so. I'd say that it's because we're vigilant enough to remove people from the cockpit prior to serious degradation in skills.
And the study that you will point to as far as this experience level is ...? All studies that I've seen indicate that once you're past the first 1500 hours, any increased experience does little to improve safety.
And the study that you will point to as far as this experience level is ...? All studies that I've seen indicate that once you're past the first 1500 hours, any increased experience does little to improve safety.
01-20-2007, 10:00 AM
#72
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Position: Retired 121 pilot
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To the day I retired I was always learning and that helped me be a better and safer pilot for the next flight.
I will also freely admit that on more than one occasion my experience learning curve increased when I said to myself "Hey dummy, don't ever do that again!".
01-20-2007, 01:37 PM
#73
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Looks like a pilot with a lot of book knowledge and studies, but no real practical experience to back it up. Andy you are so hardcore on not accepting this change I think you will say just about say anything if you think it makes your case sound better.
01-20-2007, 01:37 PM
#74
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Position: B727
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Ridiculous. The day a pilot thinks that increased experience will not improve safety, is the day he/she should hang it up.
To the day I retired I was always learning and that helped me be a better and safer pilot for the next flight.
I will also freely admit that on more than one occasion my experience learning curve increased when I said to myself "Hey dummy, don't ever do that again!".
To the day I retired I was always learning and that helped me be a better and safer pilot for the next flight.
I will also freely admit that on more than one occasion my experience learning curve increased when I said to myself "Hey dummy, don't ever do that again!".
01-20-2007, 05:15 PM
#75
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: 767A (Ret)
Posts: 6,248
Reverse Learning Curve?
When I was hired, I knew everything but was plagued by bad luck. Every day I got a little stupider, but had better luck. By the time I retired, I had reached a state of complete ignorance, but was lucky every day. 
01-20-2007, 09:11 PM
#76
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: XJT F/O
Posts: 144
Experience equals compliance which equals accidents. Investigations show this trend, older pilots get complaint or comfortable thinking they have seen it all then an accident happens because of it. What does not help the situation is they all think they are gods gift to aviation because they have sat in the left seat for 30 years watching the autopilot work. Wow experience pays off I guess
01-21-2007, 06:16 AM
#77
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Position: guppy CA
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Look it up. The statistical data is out there. Accident rates drop up to 1500 hours, rates get pretty much flatline in relation to experience past that.
01-21-2007, 07:29 AM
#78
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Experience equals compliance which equals accidents. Investigations show this trend, older pilots get complaint or comfortable thinking they have seen it all then an accident happens because of it. What does not help the situation is they all think they are gods gift to aviation because they have sat in the left seat for 30 years watching the autopilot work. Wow experience pays off I guess
01-21-2007, 07:36 AM
#79
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Andy, you're the one using said data, so why not give us a footnote, reference, link....something to prove it exists. Is this military pilots, civilian pilots, private pilots, ATPs, all pilots, what? How old is the date? Who gathered it? Give us a hint.
01-21-2007, 09:45 AM
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Experience equals compliance which equals accidents. Investigations show this trend, older pilots get complaint or comfortable thinking they have seen it all then an accident happens because of it. What does not help the situation is they all think they are gods gift to aviation because they have sat in the left seat for 30 years watching the autopilot work. Wow experience pays off I guess
Complacency and complacent, perhaps?
But, that's the least of the errors in your post.
Last edited by Busboy; 01-21-2007 at 11:00 AM.
