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Old 12-01-2014, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Pelican
So when RA decides to quadruple SEA service it's "just business, nothing personal" but we feed quantas and or Emirates (on a leg that DL doesn't even fly mind you) with a few pax a day and it's a sin? Ahhh, ok got it.
Just so long as we're clear on that, we can go back to being bestest buds again.
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:31 AM
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Just because DL does not go direct to Dubai AS is still feeding their network. So a pax going to Bombay can go thru Dubai on Emirates versus going on say a DL flight thru CDG or AMS. That's the rub.
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Just because DL does not go direct to Dubai AS is still feeding their network. So a pax going to Bombay can go thru Dubai on Emirates versus going on say a DL flight thru CDG or AMS. That's the rub.
I understand.

So here's my question. You are the CEO of Alaska Airlines, a small, niche carrier who has been around for 80 years and you have kind of grown to like your independence, especially seeing all the recent mergers and acquistions in the industry. Do you think your chances of staying independent are made better by being Delta's puppet or by diversifying and feeding some other carriers? Remember, you're the CEO and you want to stay independent.
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:53 AM
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The way this whole thing was explained to me was Delta wanted Alaska to ditch all of their partners and only feed Delta. Alaska management figured this would only lead to one thing, our eventual merger, and decided against the plan in favor of remaining independent. So now Delta is providing their own feed.
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:58 AM
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The way this whole thing was explained to me was Delta wanted Alaska to ditch all of their partners and only feed Delta. Alaska management figured this would only lead to one thing, our eventual merger, and decided against the plan in favor of remaining independent. So now Delta is providing their own feed.
That's the best rumor from both perspectives. I hope it is correct.
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:59 AM
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So now Delta is providing their own feed.
Correct. All Delta is doing is no longer relying on AS to feed the mainline. Why do AS pilots have such a hard time with Delta pilots feeding our own network? Nothing stopping AS from buying some WBs and creating their own global network to compete.
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Originally Posted by Pelican
I understand.

So here's my question. You are the CEO of Alaska Airlines, a small, niche carrier who has been around for 80 years and you have kind of grown to like your independence, especially seeing all the recent mergers and acquistions in the industry. Do you think your chances of staying independent are made better by being Delta's puppet or by diversifying and feeding some other carriers? Remember, you're the CEO and you want to stay independent.
I agree with everything you're saying. The CEO would however also have to suspect that Delta would have few if any options at the point other then building their own feed. He would also know that building a international hub would receive strong political backing and gates and facilities would be made available to Delta.
He would have to weigh all that in making a final decision. I would also note Delta did not demand that AK stop all relationships with other airlines. They did however want priority on scheduling feed.
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Correct. All Delta is doing is no longer relying on AS to feed the mainline. Why do AS pilots have such a hard time with Delta pilots feeding our own network? Nothing stopping AS from buying some WBs and creating their own global network to compete.
And nothing stopping DL from buying narrowbodies (including 188 BOEINGS!…so far) and doing their own domestic network to compete.
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I agree with everything you're saying. The CEO would however also have to suspect that Delta would have few if any options at the point other then building their own feed. He would also know that building a international hub would receive strong political backing and gates and facilities would be made available to Delta.
He would have to weigh all that in making a final decision. I would also note Delta did not demand that AK stop all relationships with other airlines. They did however want priority on scheduling feed.
So DL gave AS first pick and first right of refusal to perform mass quantities of DL flying, AS declined for whatever reason, DL then (and only then) began to do it themselves because they had no choice, and DL is the arrogant one and AS is the humble hometown hero?
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Originally Posted by Pelican
I understand.

So here's my question. You are the CEO of Alaska Airlines, a small, niche carrier who has been around for 80 years and you have kind of grown to like your independence, especially seeing all the recent mergers and acquistions in the industry. Do you think your chances of staying independent are made better by being Delta's puppet or by diversifying and feeding some other carriers? Remember, you're the CEO and you want to stay independent.
Service and people are excellent at Alaska Airlines. But I was always wondering why, since many moons ago, airlines like NWA outsourced "their" North South flying to Alaska? It was done to a point that some of the NWA pilots commuting to work received better jump-seat or boarding priority with Alaska Airlines.

I, for one, like Alaska Airlines. But I am extremely joyous that we are taking back some of our flying. It is better for competition and it helps Delta pilots out in career progression.

One caveat: All of this shifting and competition could be posturing for a AS/DL merger. I hope not.

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