Hogan Personality FAIL
10-08-2014, 11:24 PM
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Hogan Personality FAIL
Apologies for a new thread as I have never created one but wanted to reach out to others in hopes they will succeed passing the Hogan Personality Assessment.
After reading multiple posts and taking some advice from others, I took the Hogan this past weekend using complete honesty and tried not to overthink. Apparently I did, because I received the TBNT today. My wife sat over my shoulder and felt it was good to go!
I understand many have said not to try to be someone whom you are not, but essentially you are trying to fit into the HR mold that they want you to be. Have no idea what that mold looks like but its not what I answered or maybe not me!
Here are a few examples: Have you ever made up stories? I answered "True" because I make up stories for my kids all of the time. I may have over thought and is this what HR wants?.....Have you ever deliberately told a lie? I answered "True" as we all have but maybe that was not the best course of action. Do you enjoy being at sporting events or concerts? "True"...Do you enjoy being around the hustle and bustle of a city? I answered "False"...I am a country boy and hate cities but just answered "True" to being at concerts around mass amounts of people...see what I am getting at? As I look back, I can remember multiple examples of these same patterns.
Had a recent meet and greet with a chief and asst. chief pilot whom submitted a recommendation saying it was the best they had seen in a long time and also had 10 internal recommendations. Enlisted Airman of the Year, Nuclear Weapon's Instructor, 3 year Special Duty with Air Force One, 3000+ hrs in Fighters/MC-12 and 1300 in combat. Consider myself to be extremely humble, personable, and an extremely hard worker.
It stings a lot but this is a minor speed bump. For those of you out there I hope everyone gets hired and just want to find out if there are folks in the same boat...back to the drawing board!
Thanks to everyone for all the outstanding information over the years. This forum has been so helpful!
After reading multiple posts and taking some advice from others, I took the Hogan this past weekend using complete honesty and tried not to overthink. Apparently I did, because I received the TBNT today. My wife sat over my shoulder and felt it was good to go!
I understand many have said not to try to be someone whom you are not, but essentially you are trying to fit into the HR mold that they want you to be. Have no idea what that mold looks like but its not what I answered or maybe not me!
Here are a few examples: Have you ever made up stories? I answered "True" because I make up stories for my kids all of the time. I may have over thought and is this what HR wants?.....Have you ever deliberately told a lie? I answered "True" as we all have but maybe that was not the best course of action. Do you enjoy being at sporting events or concerts? "True"...Do you enjoy being around the hustle and bustle of a city? I answered "False"...I am a country boy and hate cities but just answered "True" to being at concerts around mass amounts of people...see what I am getting at? As I look back, I can remember multiple examples of these same patterns.
Had a recent meet and greet with a chief and asst. chief pilot whom submitted a recommendation saying it was the best they had seen in a long time and also had 10 internal recommendations. Enlisted Airman of the Year, Nuclear Weapon's Instructor, 3 year Special Duty with Air Force One, 3000+ hrs in Fighters/MC-12 and 1300 in combat. Consider myself to be extremely humble, personable, and an extremely hard worker.
It stings a lot but this is a minor speed bump. For those of you out there I hope everyone gets hired and just want to find out if there are folks in the same boat...back to the drawing board!
Thanks to everyone for all the outstanding information over the years. This forum has been so helpful!
10-09-2014, 04:07 AM
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Sorry for your TBNT everyone feels the sting of them at times.
I would say this. On a personality test, the devil is in the details. Example, I have told a lie. The answer is true, because we have all told a lie. Example 2, I often tell lies. The answer should be false, because the airlines don't want to hire people who lie cronicly.
These are the types of questions that you have to read between the lines in. Another example, "I occationally have trouble sleeping." Vs "I usually cannot get to sleep."
The hardest part of a personality test is admitting you are human without saying you have a serious problem.
Hope this helps.
Seekingblue
I would say this. On a personality test, the devil is in the details. Example, I have told a lie. The answer is true, because we have all told a lie. Example 2, I often tell lies. The answer should be false, because the airlines don't want to hire people who lie cronicly.
These are the types of questions that you have to read between the lines in. Another example, "I occationally have trouble sleeping." Vs "I usually cannot get to sleep."
The hardest part of a personality test is admitting you are human without saying you have a serious problem.
Hope this helps.
Seekingblue
10-09-2014, 04:38 AM
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These tests HAVE to go. Along with HR having a say in the hiring process. Should be pilots only. Because when that cockpit door is closed, the same things happen behind those closed doors no matter what paint job is on the side of the airplane. Sharing lots of laughs, laughing at the guard police, and running checklists. We are never "ourselves" when we have to answer tmaat questions wearing a tight suit. We are ourselves when we are doing what we do best. Flying and having a good time.
10-09-2014, 05:25 AM
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I always thought that in addition to a personality test, it was an intelligence test.
i.e. are you smart enough to put the 'right' answer?
Or are you dumb enough to select True when you KNOW they want to hear FALSE.
I met a guy after our testing who was ranting about how stupid that test was, he said, "Can you believe some of those stupid questions??
'I get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task.'
I looked at him and said, "You didn't answer True to that one did you?"
He said, "Yes, of course! Who DOESN'T get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task??!"
I said, "You know that is the flight engineer's job description, right? You just told them you'll be pizzed off while doing your job."
He had a blank look on his face so I had to explain it to him. He was not in my new hire class.
I agree it's kind of a screwy test, there were many questions that were so borderline I had to go back to see how I had answered a similar question earlier, because I wanted to be consistent. I could have answered many of them either true of false, depending on how I felt at the moment.
But I thought that was part of the test; to see if you could figure that part out.
Oh, and BTW, on the reason for the test in the first place? I had a ground school instructor explain it to me once. He said, "That testing they do must weed out the real nut jobs! With some of the guys I've seen come through here, I don't know how you guys can sit up there for 5 hours at a time and NOT tear each other apart!"
i.e. are you smart enough to put the 'right' answer?
Or are you dumb enough to select True when you KNOW they want to hear FALSE.
I met a guy after our testing who was ranting about how stupid that test was, he said, "Can you believe some of those stupid questions??
'I get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task.'
I looked at him and said, "You didn't answer True to that one did you?"
He said, "Yes, of course! Who DOESN'T get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task??!"
I said, "You know that is the flight engineer's job description, right? You just told them you'll be pizzed off while doing your job."
He had a blank look on his face so I had to explain it to him. He was not in my new hire class.
I agree it's kind of a screwy test, there were many questions that were so borderline I had to go back to see how I had answered a similar question earlier, because I wanted to be consistent. I could have answered many of them either true of false, depending on how I felt at the moment.
But I thought that was part of the test; to see if you could figure that part out.
Oh, and BTW, on the reason for the test in the first place? I had a ground school instructor explain it to me once. He said, "That testing they do must weed out the real nut jobs! With some of the guys I've seen come through here, I don't know how you guys can sit up there for 5 hours at a time and NOT tear each other apart!"
10-09-2014, 06:31 AM
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Hey Taz,
Sorry to hear about the TBNT ! I got the same thing about 3 weeks ago. I can't understand it. I have been told by a friend inside that we are not in any kind of slim minority. Apparently there are many not getting past the Hogan.
They said I have to wait a year before trying again. I have heard from folks from within that there are people who have been able to re-engage in less than the year period. Anyone else have proof to back that up? Just curious.
It's a tough pill to swallow when you've worked hard for years to accomplish your goals and a simple test like this takes you out. Any further advice or info from anyone is appreciated.
Sorry to hear about the TBNT ! I got the same thing about 3 weeks ago. I can't understand it. I have been told by a friend inside that we are not in any kind of slim minority. Apparently there are many not getting past the Hogan.
They said I have to wait a year before trying again. I have heard from folks from within that there are people who have been able to re-engage in less than the year period. Anyone else have proof to back that up? Just curious.
It's a tough pill to swallow when you've worked hard for years to accomplish your goals and a simple test like this takes you out. Any further advice or info from anyone is appreciated.
10-09-2014, 08:09 AM
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The personality test isn't about you, it's about whether you're a fit for the company and traits they are looking for, don't take it personally. If you got turned down, there's a better than average chance you may not have fit in and enjoyed the job anyway. Try not to over think it. I know a lot of really great people doing great at the Delta interview, only to be shot down by the shrink on day two.
Although I will say that the stories I hear about the hiring departments interaction with those getting turned down, makes me think there may be something to it.
Although I will say that the stories I hear about the hiring departments interaction with those getting turned down, makes me think there may be something to it.
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