DAL 88 Driver

I don't know for sure whether management wants CDO's or not. I suspect they do.

There was someone on here earlier posted that he had flown with SD and that SD really wanted them. Coupled with the staunch DALPA aficionados (who are normally in lock step with whatever management wants) still pounding their arguments in support of CDO's, it sure makes me think this issue is not dead.

tsquare

I'll gladly give them CDOs, but my restrictions would be so onerous they wouldn't want them. 6 hours (non reduceable... ever) behind the door for starters, 10:30 pay... little things like that. Then sailing and all the senior bubbas can fly them to their hearts' content.

gzsg

John Malone's.

gzsg

The fact that they were on the survey says it all. Done deal.

DAL 88 Driver

Yeah, I might could live with that. Hopefully, like you say, management couldn't and then we would be done with the consideration of these horrid things once and for all. I'd also have to have the restriction where no one who didn't want to fly one of these had to. Maybe some kind of opt-in system where if you didn't opt-in then you couldn't be assigned one, even on reserve. And then of course I'd have to check early morning flights before nonreving. That would eliminate some of the nonrev benefit for me. Anyway, as long as I don't have to fly them and I don't have to ride in the back of an airplane with someone flying that morning flight after a CDO... I guess I'm good with it. But then again, I remember how devastating it was when I was at TWA and we lost an airplane full of people... Oh, and I'd also want to not be required to DH on an early morning flight flown by a CDO crew. Actually, the more I think about it... I'm still against them.

Check Essential

Can't agree with that opinion. We have always been short of pilots in the summer.
Nothing new about that.

I think the main reason people "feel more flying over this summer" has everything to do with work rule changes. ---> We gave management a gigantic productivity concession when we turned July and August into 30 day months. Along with the higher ALVs, now they can cram more flight hours into fewer days.

July and August have always been the limiting factor at this airline. We gave that away for way too cheap.

gzsg

CDOs will be back. Slighty better. The insiders know the pilots dont want them so they will sneak it in C2015.

Stock, stock options. No thank you.

Check Essential

Those two positions seem somewhat inconsistent.

Profit sharing and stock options are both forms of compensation that is "at risk" based on the company's performance.
Why is profit sharing so good but stock options are bad?

orvil

If that happened, DALPA would hold back the stock, hire someone to try to sell the stock as a block, wait for the price to go to a historic low before releasing the stock.... Nah, that would never happen.

Let's just stay away from stock. Put it in my paycheck every month, month in, month out. Let Dick and Eddie play that game.

(I thought the B/S was a pretty good descriptor, too)

orvil

Both are bad. Paychecks are good. It's pretty simple.