LUV overbids eveyone to win 54 DCA slots
02-02-2014, 02:18 PM
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Yes it is.
Except…
Now, finally, the legacies can afford to fight back and agressively seat dump onto the "established" LCC routes. The legacies can afford to bleed big time your entire route structure and yet still make huge profits over all. And they don't even have to get into "predatory pricing" (funny isn't it that LCC's can gut established fares offering pennies on the dollar but if a legacy tries the same to them they squeal to the government for protection) but there's nothing to stop predatory capacity. What's your cheapest bucket? We'll match it on twice the seats per day you have. Bring it.
You love that capitalism…right up until it works the other way.
Except…
Now, finally, the legacies can afford to fight back and agressively seat dump onto the "established" LCC routes. The legacies can afford to bleed big time your entire route structure and yet still make huge profits over all. And they don't even have to get into "predatory pricing" (funny isn't it that LCC's can gut established fares offering pennies on the dollar but if a legacy tries the same to them they squeal to the government for protection) but there's nothing to stop predatory capacity. What's your cheapest bucket? We'll match it on twice the seats per day you have. Bring it.
You love that capitalism…right up until it works the other way.
So why are you so worried about jetBlue?
02-03-2014, 07:48 AM
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02-03-2014, 03:41 PM
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Its not just JB, its the entire endless growth sector that is the major threat to the industry. The industry has finally gotten its legs under it through capacity discipline, consolidation and pricing power. JB, OTOH, says "dam the torpedos" and barfs capacity non stop wherever they want acting like its still 2002 and the legacies can't do anything about it and then rubs salt in the wound by hooking up with the endless growth foreign airlines who are intent on doing the same. Its time for all the legacies to go after JB hard and in a way they won't be able to beg daddy government for help (squealing about "predatory pricing"...a phenomenon which apparently only works one way as its A-OK when they do it) by flooding JB's best markets, all of them, with mass quantities of capacity at JB's lowest bucket fares. Nothing they can do about that. Except agree to sell of course. JB (the company, not the pilots) is one of the biggest threats the industry faces right now. And it will have to be dealt with or the cancer will grow out of control and we will wake up to hundreds of additional narrow bodies and a widebody order poaching any market they please while the legacies shrink to profitability until at least one folds. Its them or us in the long run. And they want it to be them. Fair enough. But don't act all high and mighty when others hope they are not successful in their long term goals.
02-03-2014, 04:24 PM
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Its not just JB, its the entire endless growth sector that is the major threat to the industry. The industry has finally gotten its legs under it through capacity discipline, consolidation and pricing power. JB, OTOH, says "dam the torpedos" and barfs capacity non stop wherever they want acting like its still 2002 and the legacies can't do anything about it and then rubs salt in the wound by hooking up with the endless growth foreign airlines who are intent on doing the same. Its time for all the legacies to go after JB hard and in a way they won't be able to beg daddy government for help (squealing about "predatory pricing"...a phenomenon which apparently only works one way as its A-OK when they do it) by flooding JB's best markets, all of them, with mass quantities of capacity at JB's lowest bucket fares. Nothing they can do about that. Except agree to sell of course. JB (the company, not the pilots) is one of the biggest threats the industry faces right now. And it will have to be dealt with or the cancer will grow out of control and we will wake up to hundreds of additional narrow bodies and a widebody order poaching any market they please while the legacies shrink to profitability until at least one folds. Its them or us in the long run. And they want it to be them. Fair enough. But don't act all high and mighty when others hope they are not successful in their long term goals.
The only person acting "high and mighty" is you Mr legacy pilot.
You should really read what you post.
02-03-2014, 05:17 PM
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DALLAS - Southwest Airlines says it will start nonstop flights from Dallas to New York, Los Angeles, Washington and 12 other cities this fall, when federal limits on the airline's home airport end.
The new service pits the onetime scrappy underdog in head-to-head competition with American and maybe Delta for passengers traveling to and from Dallas.
Southwest announced Monday that it will fly from Love Field to five cities starting Oct. 13 and 10 more on Nov. 2.
Those routes are currently off-limits to Southwest's Boeing 737 jets because of a 1980 law designed to protect nearby Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. Under the Wright Amendment, as the law was called, planes bigger than 56 seats could only fly from Love Field to other cities in Texas and a few nearby states.
Southwest expects to add nearly 20 flights a day, to 146 daily departures in November, from Love Field, the airline's eighth-busiest airport.
"It will mean the opportunity to grow and add airplanes and add jobs," CEO Gary Kelly said. He said the additional flying wouldn't affect earnings through 2015.
With the new long-haul routes, Southwest will compete against similar service from American Airlines Group Inc. at nearby DFW Airport.
Southwest's toughest competition, however, might come from Delta Air Lines Inc., which is already selling tickets for flights in late 2014 from Love Field to New York, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Minneapolis and Detroit.
There's just one hitch: Delta doesn't know if it will have any gates at Love Field.
American has two gates but agreed to give them up to settle a government lawsuit against its merger with US Airways. Delta, which is leasing the gates, wants to buy them from American, but so does Southwest, and other airlines could enter the bidding. The U.S. Justice Department has said that the gates shouldn't go to so-called legacy carriers such as Delta and United, but Delta points out that Southwest already controls 16 of the 20 gates at Love Field.
On Oct. 13, Southwest will start flying from Dallas to Chicago; Baltimore; Denver; Las Vegas; and Orlando, Fla. On Nov. 2, it will add New York's LaGuardia Airport; Washington's Reagan National Airport; Los Angeles, San Diego and Santa Ana, Calif.; Atlanta; Nashville; Fort Lauderdale and Tampa, Fla.; and Phoenix.
The fight over Love Field is a big part of the history of Southwest Airlines, which began as a Texas-only carrier. Herb Kelleher, the airline's co-founder and a lawyer who personally fought some of the legal battles, attended Monday's announcement at the airport.
"It just proves that being patient pays off," he said. "Only had to wait for 40 years."
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