maddogmax

That's correct. Some of these new rules will come back to haunt both the company, pilots and customers.

JoeyMeatballs

What mess. Does anyone in the FAA care that the pilots of 3407 had way more rest than FAR117 requires......

ShyGuy

It doesn't matter. The point is the company initiated the phone call on your day off. For this assignment you need a 10 hr rest period and then you can do it.

Plane Ramrod

If you answered the phone pre 117 they could force you to work. Just because they didn't doesn't mean they couldn't. If you were on day off #3 and they called you at 2330 after being up all day, would you be rested? Of course there were ways you could get out of it.

Flyby1206

Sounds like if you answer the phone then it isn't considered interrupting your rest. If they call, you dont answer, and it interrupts your rest then you must notify them of such.

iii. One-Phone Call Rule
A number of commenters asked
whether the required 8-hour sleep
opportunity eliminates the one-phone-
call rule or places additional restrictions
on when the phone call can be made.
ALPA asked whether a flightcrew
member is required to notify the
certificate holder if the certificate
holder s phone call prevents the
flightcrew member from receiving an 8-
hour sleep opportunity.
The FAA has a one phone call
policy that generally allows a
certificate holder to initiate one phone
call during [a] crewmember s rest
period. If the crewmember
voluntarily chooses to answer this
phone call, then the FAA does not view
the call as disruptive and breaking the
rest period. The sleep-opportunity
requirements of § 117.25 do not
eliminate this policy. However, the FAA
cautions that a flightcrew member may
have difficulty getting back to sleep after
being woken up by a certificate holder s
phone call. In that situation, a
flightcrew member may notify the
certificate holder, pursuant to
§ 117.25(f), that his or her sleep
opportunity has been interrupted. Thus,
a certificate holder runs the risk of
interrupting a flightcrew member s sleep
opportunity if the certificate holder calls
a flightcrew member during the
flightcrew member s rest period.

ShyGuy

I can understand a lot of pilots will be PO'ed that they can't make as much money as before, but 117 is a win for pilots. Finally no more reduced rest. Airlines were even scheduling reduced rest and that was never the intent of how the regs were suppose to be. Now no matter what when it comes to rest, you will get at least 10 hrs with a good opportunity for 8 hrs of sleep. JoeyMeatballs, you'll be fine, instead of crediting 150 hrs this month you might credit only 120.

JoeyMeatballs

I can understand the reduced rest overnight, however I don't need the FAA to tell me I need an additional 10hrs of "rest" before I ACCEPT a JA, I'm completely capable of determining if I am fit to fly. Besides, I sign the release saying I'm "fit for duty".......... Another joke of 117

Plane Ramrod

You need new material dude. You posted that yesterday on the jetBlew thread.

RonnyK320

This is how stupid the government is:

Old way:
Call at 12pm, "Can you come to the airport and fly?" Get there at 2pm, home by 10pm, go to sleep, normal sleep pattern.

New way:
Call at 12pm, "Can you come to the airport and fly?" Get 10 hours rest during the day when you can't sleep, show at 10pm, fly all night. You're tired, and the flight is now dangerous.

Government is no longer looking out for the citizens, government it's looking out for itself. It's nothing but a bunch of bureaucrats justifying their jobs, and waiting to retire so they can enjoy that ridiculous pension. Vote Libertarian. Okay, I'm done...

RK

ClarenceOver

Thats a gross understatement. I suggest reading the book 1984