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Old 04-11-2014, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyFlare
WOW that is really low time to get on with Delta.
1700 Hornet hours isn't all that low. A heavy mil guy with similar experience would have around 2,500. That plus almost all of their time is PIC.
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Old 04-11-2014, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Wollac
I don't think its in the thousands, but yes, there will be a mini-flood of ready USAF pilots throughout the summer months.
I think over 5000 applied, im not sure if they're going to publish how many were approved. The next step is RIF, forced separations which will likely put several more highly experienced pilots on the street
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
I think over 5000 applied, im not sure if they're going to publish how many were approved. The next step is RIF, forced separations which will likely put several more highly experienced pilots on the street
And if this drawdown follows previous ones.... there'll be a return to active duty offer with bonuses a couple years after that.
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Originally Posted by WhyFlare
WOW that is really low time to get on with Delta.
Uhhhh, are you serious or flame baiting?

But reading this board, and others 1700 may be slightly below what the average single seat/tactical jet guy is getting picked up with. But with IP and other boxes checked, it's going to bridge that.
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Originally Posted by HTBH
And if this drawdown follows previous ones.... there'll be a return to active duty offer with bonuses a couple years after that.
All the services are doing some form of this "draw down" happens after every war and/or depending on the current "administration".....and it ALWAYS ends the same way, draw down to much and then over reaction with AD offers/bonuses etc.

This will be no different, the American people will do what they always do after an 8 year stint of a party. They will vote in the most drastic difference in 2016 and the military upswing will happen again.

Just hang on for the ride, get'em where you can because I guarantee you they will get you every time!

I played for 22 years, my father for 42 years, and my son for 2 months (and counting) and it ended up a good ride for us.
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Old 04-11-2014, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Plain and simple. Anybody that attacks Timbo's personality or attitude, is wrong. Either you are wet behind the ear, or just starting something. Dont jump on to any band wagons or make any judgements without knowing the one you are criticizing.

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Old 04-12-2014, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
FYI, Today the air force just approved VSP (voluntary separation pay) for hundreds if not thousands of active duty IP level or higher pilots. The market is going to be flooded with a lot more instructor/evaluators than previously thought, effective June 1st. Stay patient everyone.
Not exactly the case. ADSC waiver authority was released last week allowing up to 6 year service commitment remaining for UPT to be waived. This was to capture the '03-'08 yr gp pilots (in particular 11M) that need to be downsized. However, apparently in an AFPC webinar with MPS CC's there was mention of delaying VSP apps again until the 1 May application window closes. To date I've only heard of a few dozen pilots being approved. Seems like they are randomly reviewing applications. An '02 11M here, '07 C-17 guy there, couple '05 yr gp C-5/17 folks. Who knows how this will all turn out. The goal posts move on a daily basis, but my family for one would like to know ASAP since my terminal leave would start in 2 months and my ducks are not lined up yet.
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Old 04-12-2014, 05:36 PM
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One of my first "real" posts on this site!
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Applied with Alaska in Dec 13, day one interview at Women in Aviation in Orlando, day 2 interview a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 04-13-2014, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LossofClockData
Not exactly the case. ADSC waiver authority was released last week allowing up to 6 year service commitment remaining for UPT to be waived. This was to capture the '03-'08 yr gp pilots (in particular 11M) that need to be downsized. However, apparently in an AFPC webinar with MPS CC's there was mention of delaying VSP apps again until the 1 May application window closes. To date I've only heard of a few dozen pilots being approved. Seems like they are randomly reviewing applications. An '02 11M here, '07 C-17 guy there, couple '05 yr gp C-5/17 folks. Who knows how this will all turn out. The goal posts move on a daily basis, but my family for one would like to know ASAP since my terminal leave would start in 2 months and my ducks are not lined up yet.

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Old 04-13-2014, 08:11 AM
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I'll try.

AF has announced a few plans for reductions

- Early retirement, with at least 15 years service you could retire, vs the normal 20

- Voluntary sep (VSP), waive a variety of service commitments and pay you severance to leave early if you volunteer

- RIF, non-voluntary sep, waive commitments and pay you less than if you vol'd. Occurs after first two programs run their course

About two weeks ago, AF approved a bunch of early retirements. Still no answers on the second.

Bottom line, at this point, there are now a few more people entering the job market (maybe 100s, not even close to thousands). If they approve VSP, that'd be more. How many? No idea.
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