Sliceback

http://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcont...0&context=ntas

Some interesting comments. Shows why they're interested in college grads, GPA matters, 'all I've done is this' hurts you("grew comfortable" by JB). And how age, or high TT, isn't necessarily the positive guys think it is.

DL's civilian new hire TT averaged 7500. So guys with higher time are getting hired. But the industry is not just looking for the highest TT and TPIC.

thepointyend

Times have changed. JB was impossible to get on with because none of the Legacy's were hiring back then. In today's hiring environment the likes of JB (for some), Spirit and Frontier have turned into stepping stones. One economic down turn and all that could change once again. Look at XO, at one point if you didn't have a good internal rec you wouldn't have gotten the job. Now you just need to find the recruiters at a job fair and make a good impression.

Regardless, we all know that the metrics for hiring at the airlines have changed and so has the process. Why wouldn't an airline want to hire someone with an advanced degree if they meet all the other requirements? Gripe all you want but it's well obvious that the airlines now value more than 1000 TPIC and several types. The link Sliceback posted as well as this thread highlights this so either you adapt or you get left behind.

Either way, judging by all your previous posts maybe this is a good time to step away from keyboard and APC all together. We're all trying to move on to bigger and better but constantly bringing up former coworkers (lets be real, you've harped about them a ton in your other posts) who have already moved on to greener pastures won't help.

deltajuliet

Interesting, but JetBlue is the most reputable carrier to add to that discussion; they just started their ab initio program. The rest are Allegiant and the regionals. So it makes me wonder how much of this allegedly scientific presentation is actually just anti-1500 hour propaganda. All that being said, they wouldn't have needed to address higher times >10,000 TT, so that is interesting, unless it was just to drive home the point that hours don't matter and they should be able to hire 250 hour commercial pilots.

Sliceback

DJ - I agree that the perspective, or biases, of each participant has to be considered. But some things are probably universal, like having flown with organizations known for having excellent training and/or SOP's, college education, higher GPA's, undertaken different professional challenges, etc, etc. None are a guarantee of a better candidate but they collectively might point towards a better candidate.

Jaww

Delta
3600 hours
~3400 military B-52, U-28, T-6
~200 airline
2500 TPIC
7 intervals, 12 total recs
No failures/violations/convictions
3 speeding tickets
4 year BS degree 3.79 GPA
4 year MA degree 3.96 GPA
Mil Instructor 1000 hrs
Lots of AF mandates volunteer work
No job fair
Applied Sep 2014
Called for interview Jan 2016
Hired Mar 2016

toobdrvr1

Nice stats! Congratulations!

I'm sure Mr. Gasson would be proud...

jimf15e

United

~3200 total
~2900 TPIC (F-15E and AT-38)
IP, SEFE, FCF
Fighter Sq DO and CC
Currently in non-flying staff job
BS Mech Eng, 3.4
Masters from ERAU, 4.0 (paid my fee, got my degree!)
5 internal recs
2 speeding tickets (mid 90s, stupid Lt)
No failures or violations
No volunteer work

App in Spring 2015 with availability of September 2017
Received "We want to interview you but your availability is too far in the future, email us when you're within 6 months" letter in December 2015
Updated availability to 1 June 2016 on 28 Feb 16
Hogan invite 4 Mar 16
Interview invite 7 Mar 16
Interviewed 5 Apr 16
Job offer 14 Apr 16

Note: Other than a few hours to get my ATP and MEI certificate, I haven't flown since September 2014 (18+ months). Several folks throughout the process have said United is no longer holding fast to the 100 hrs in previous 12 months rule.

CODs4ever

Congrats on the new job Jim! I too am paying my fee, to get the degree (ERAU MAS).... and enjoying a little BAH along the way.

Hilltopper89

Congrats and welcome. Good to hear about the 100 hrs deal and 18 months out isn't that long. I talked with CV (previous chief of hiring) a couple years ago about this issue and he was pretty adamant about the 100 hrs. Perhaps this has changed and/or been relaxed with the new hiring staff. I have a number of friends in your shoes finishing a stellar service career in a non-flying staff job.

jimf15e

Thanks to both of you for the welcome. Yes, I believe United is now looking at the "big picture" for those not currently flying. I heard that from several folks, including United employees and some of the consulting firms.