DrunkIrishman

I hear what you're saying, but I disagree. The airlines view is that there is no difference between a 4,000 hour pilot and an 8,000 hour pilot. Therefore, they must figure out another way to screen applicants. What I do see as a hiring trend is that those of us with higher times are having a vey difficult time getting hired since the profession used to be about flight experience exclusively when we started.

I am guessing most of us have not done the "extras" to warrant the selection. Having said that, I have put in the work to get those extras and still have nothing to show for the effort. I think once we have over 10k hours, they become less interested in us because they think we are an old dog that cannot learn new tricks.

The game has changed, we must adapt or die. Yeah, it sucks.

Eagle06

United
~7,000 hours
~3,000 corporate
~3,000 airline
1,000+ TPIC from both.
No failures/violations/convictions/speeding tickets
4 year degree
Training department
Some volunteer work
No job fairs, meet and greets, etc.
No interview prep.

Sliceback

Eagle06 - congratulations. Could you expand on your training department comment? Any voluteering work directly linked to the profession? Mentoring? Union work?

Aussiedoodle

Congrats Eagle! Hope to see you there.

Eagle06

Pm sent.........

Eagle06

Congratulations to you as well, I see.

RJCaptin

I am a FAA designated 121 check airman now (ability to conduct fed rides), is that classified as FAA Approved Program Examiner in Airline Apps. I emailed them, and received no response. FYI, I only have the Check Airman box ticked.

thepointyend

Hm. Perhaps it's not them but it's you? We work at the same place. I know the same people and they were all qualified enough to get the job and quite frankly almost all of them are good people and good pilots. Judging by all your posts about job fairs, degrees, volunteer work and what not it sounds like it's more of a personal thing vs the airlines are screwed up in their hiring practices... Perhaps you should tell them that in person at the next job fair eh? 😉

Learflyer

I hear you. Never said anyone was a bad person. I'm just old enough and have been doing this so long that I am just comparing it to old hiring practices. No doubt we produce a ton of good folks from our company. Most examples everyone was legit. My only point was that it used to be hard and fast that you needed 1000 TPIC whether you were Mother Theresa or not. :0 Now, that other stuff outweighs PIC and actual experience (again, most that left us for greener pastures had a ton).

Heck I remember JB was impossible to get on. You needed not only 1000 TPIC but they wanted 1000 TPIC in jets that weighed greater than 25,000 lbs! Now it's a "stepping stone" for a lot of pilots. Now we have Airbus Captains at Spirit at 25 years old and unhappy and treating that like a regional.

I'm just a guy with some observations is all. Maybe I'm talking too much on this forum lately. If so, thanks for pointing it out.

Otterbox

Until these companies match the legacies in pay/ work rules and qol, they'll continue to be stepping stones.

Depending upon age it make sense to jump ship to a legacy in A LOT of cases when you break out a spreadsheet and compare the numbers.

Money talks, Bull**** walks.