Jetblue PAR email and a raise
05-07-2013, 12:49 PM
#12
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That's what it comes down to. Management knows this as well they are just trying to negotiate with what few tools they have. Mention Scope and most pilots scare into conformity. Our PVC has to vote on any changes to do with scope so voice your opinion to your PVC rep.
05-07-2013, 02:17 PM
#14
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20%/hr, 15% retirement without needing to match, and an increase in PTO by about 75% with alloted vacation slots throughout the year... I might stop updating DAL app if we started there... in yr6.
Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.
The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.
Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.
The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.
05-07-2013, 03:39 PM
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320 F.O.
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20%/hr, 15% retirement without needing to match, and an increase in PTO by about 75% with alloted vacation slots throughout the year... I might stop updating DAL app if we started there... in yr6.
Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.
The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.
Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.
The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.
05-07-2013, 04:28 PM
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05-07-2013, 04:37 PM
#17
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Position: retired EMB-145 CA
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20%/hr, 15% retirement without needing to match, and an increase in PTO by about 75% with alloted vacation slots throughout the year... I might stop updating DAL app if we started there... in yr6.
Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.
The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.
Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.
The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.
05-07-2013, 05:56 PM
#18
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2007 proved a 10% turnover rate. Things were tough and the airline was playing catchup for quite some time which forced the operation to suffer.
The industry is different now and much of the attrition will depend on hiring and not necessarily recall.
The big question remains where is Jetblues break even point. A captain or senior FO can result in 3 or 4 training slots. Even with new hire pay the training cost alone could outweigh the larger salary departure.
The industry is different now and much of the attrition will depend on hiring and not necessarily recall.
The big question remains where is Jetblues break even point. A captain or senior FO can result in 3 or 4 training slots. Even with new hire pay the training cost alone could outweigh the larger salary departure.
05-07-2013, 07:18 PM
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20%/hr, 15% retirement without needing to match, and an increase in PTO by about 75% with alloted vacation slots throughout the year... I might stop updating DAL app if we started there... in yr6.
Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.
The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.
Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.
The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.
nice that there are good paying union jobs out there to choose from.....
05-08-2013, 04:12 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
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Jetblue claims they cannot afford to provide you a raise without Domestic codesharing which will stagnate growth and seniority.
The PAR claims in a CBA world it cannot take things away YET you have had your health insurance gutted, premium pay reduced from 70 to 78 hours, vacation diminished, PTO arbitrarily changed from premium to base and back to premium, block hours reduced and your overall earnings potential capped.
While the claim that something cannot be taken away is contractually correct jetblue has proven that it does and will make any changes it feels are necessary to your detriment.
The PPA, which is part of the famous 5 documents that was pushed to the pilots about a year and a half ago, is being ignored. I'm not sure what they mean when they say they can't take away anything, while at the same time they are ignoring what limited protections we do have. Most guys signed the PPA having no clue what it said, and there were a few that read the "summary" provided by the company. The last person I flew with asked me what a PPA was! The company is taking (and has previously) taken advantage of the pilot's lack of knowledge related to the PEA, 5 documents, FSM, etc. Thankfully, at least now we have a PVC that is calling them out. Unfortunately, the PVC doesn't have too much of a leg to stand on other than informing the pilot group, which doesn't typically pay attention to their rights afforded under our so-called contracts.
Is the company still preaching "organic" growth?
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