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Old 04-20-2013, 12:00 PM
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It's a simple response.

Vote NO to PPA changes (YES to your career).

Then insist that Jetblue honor the pay structure and philosophy currently in place that THEY suggested way back in 2009. Pay us the average from across the industry. It's not too much to ask (it's actually pretty modest).
Jetblue already enjoys a whopping 28% pilot-cost advantage over the AVERAGE of its competitors. Unreal.

There is no arguement they can make for this to continue.
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:07 PM
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Forget pay and everything else they dangle at us... If they try to code share domestic, we r in trouble. We will loose domestic flying like the legacy airlines have. Vote NO for no SCOPE..
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Originally Posted by benzoate
Back to the topic Jeff Martin told the FLL pilots last night specifically without unlimited domestic codeshares, no raise.

Talk amongst yourselves.

The word "unlimited" on ANYTHING scares the crap out of me. I'm not a big fan of what we currently have with the 2 year limit on codeshares, so I'm not about to vote "yes" on taking even that little bit of protection away. International codeshares? Fine. I don't see us every doing JFK-Dubai anyway. Let Emirates keep it. Codesharing with American, Delta or United on JFK-somewhere-in-the-US? No thanks. I think what codesharing we already do with American is a conflict of interest as it is.

I MIGHT (and it's a pretty sketchy might depending on what the trade off)be okay with codesharing on routes to places like Hattiesburg, MS or Rochester, MN since it doesn't make sense to fly a 190 or a 320 in there, but ONLY if there's iron clad contract language to keep it from expanding out from there. Even then, I think it should be a one-leg codeshare to a blue city and not through a competitor's hub.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by benzoate
Back to the topic Jeff Martin told the FLL pilots last night specifically without unlimited domestic codeshares, no raise.

Talk amongst yourselves.
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:41 PM
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Whatever bro. If ignorant is not insulting, then why did you give such a strong reaction when I called you ignorant?
I was trying to correct your ignorance on the topic at hand it was purely for your benefit, your welcome BRO!!

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Old 04-20-2013, 06:54 PM
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In speaking with my PVC rep they can't tie our PPA changes to any PEA amendment. My PVC rep also said that they will not give up any domestic two way unlimited code sharing via a PPA change. They are also attempting to have separate time lines to get any PEA amendments to be agreed upon before any attempted PPA changes, the PVC realizes if we give up unlimited domestic two way code sharing that we can forget about any growth or any seniority movement. He also said there is no alter ego protection in our current PEAs and they are about to start addressing that in upcoming communications with the pilots.
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Old 04-20-2013, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
In speaking with my PVC rep they can't tie our PPA changes to any PEA amendment. My PVC rep also said that they will not give up any domestic two way unlimited code sharing via a PPA change. They are also attempting to have separate time lines to get any PEA amendments to be agreed upon before any attempted PPA changes, the PVC realizes if we give up unlimited domestic two way code sharing that we can forget about any growth or any seniority movement. He also said there is no alter ego protection in our current PEAs and they are about to start addressing that in upcoming communications with the pilots.
Guadalupe Holdings. The future of JetBlue.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate
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Then why bother with the codeshare nonsense?
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Then why bother with the codeshare nonsense?
My PVC rep said the alter ego was managements backup plan if we don't agree to some level of code sharing that they will be satisfied with. This is what happens with no CBA in place and my PVC rep said most of the PVC is now outspokenly pro CBA.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
My PVC rep said the alter ego was managements backup plan if we don't agree to some level of code sharing that they will be satisfied with. This is what happens with no CBA in place and my PVC rep said most of the PVC is now outspokenly pro CBA.
Go back and read my post. I am asking Benz why bother with this stuff if we are about to become southwest?

To your post, most of the current PVC was always pro-cba.
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