787 Crews
02-22-2013, 08:29 AM
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Considering you can't ship Lithium Ion batteries as cargo on passenger jets, it strikes me as PURE GENIUS that Boeing decided to put 98kg of them on the plastic 787.
Now their fix?
Put the batteries in a fireproof box with vents to send the smoke and fumes overboard when (not if) they catch on fire. Again, GENIUS.
Why? Because they wouldn't use pneumatics in the A/C pressurization system to save weight.
Bid the 787? Just a guess, but my money is on it going junior in a hurry.
Now their fix?
Put the batteries in a fireproof box with vents to send the smoke and fumes overboard when (not if) they catch on fire. Again, GENIUS.
Why? Because they wouldn't use pneumatics in the A/C pressurization system to save weight.
Bid the 787? Just a guess, but my money is on it going junior in a hurry.
02-22-2013, 08:38 AM
#12
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IAH-AMS-IAH
IAH-LHR-IAH
IAH-LOS-IAH
IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-IAH
IAH-LAX-NRT-LAX-IAH
IAH-LAX-PVG-LAX-IAH
IAH-ORD-IAH (Turns)
When the PBS bid window closed, the PBS Magic Machine spit out each Pilot's line award as if it was a "normal month of flying". What you were awarded, is what you are paid for the month of March. The Total Line Credits (speaking for the FO's) were as high as 87:20 clear down to the low/mid 70's, min line value.
Following the March PBS bid award, the Company is planning on wiping the PBS lines clean, and putting RX (Reserve) Days over they days that each Pilot is scheduled to fly during next month. Starting in March, each 787 Pilot that is to remain with the plane during the grounding will 'plan' to be scheduled to come to Houston 2x's a month (roughly every 14 days) to complete a CQST Sim session to remain "current". The Pilot is to be scheduled to do so ONLY on the days that he/she was slotted to fly via their March PBS award. IF the Company chooses to bring the Pilot down to IAH on an "OFF" day per the Pilot's PBS bid award, the Pilot is paid an additional 3.75hrs to their March PBS bid award.
All the above info was from the L-CAL MEC Update that was dated Jan 30, 2013. As of today, I have not been contacted/told to expect different.
02-22-2013, 02:27 PM
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Considering you can't ship Lithium Ion batteries as cargo on passenger jets, it strikes me as PURE GENIUS that Boeing decided to put 98kg of them on the plastic 787.
Now their fix?
Put the batteries in a fireproof box with vents to send the smoke and fumes overboard when (not if) they catch on fire. Again, GENIUS.
Why? Because they wouldn't use pneumatics in the A/C pressurization system to save weight.
Bid the 787? Just a guess, but my money is on it going junior in a hurry.
Now their fix?
Put the batteries in a fireproof box with vents to send the smoke and fumes overboard when (not if) they catch on fire. Again, GENIUS.
Why? Because they wouldn't use pneumatics in the A/C pressurization system to save weight.
Bid the 787? Just a guess, but my money is on it going junior in a hurry.
Everyone here knows that on an airliner, especially an electric jet like the 787, the battery is the final and most important backup to all the other possible failures. Its the one "guarantee" you have.
02-22-2013, 02:32 PM
#14
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For March, we bid our PBS lines as if we were bidding a "regular month" of flying. For March, the bid pack was predominantly:
IAH-AMS-IAH
IAH-LHR-IAH
IAH-LOS-IAH
IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-IAH
IAH-LAX-NRT-LAX-IAH
IAH-LAX-PVG-LAX-IAH
IAH-ORD-IAH (Turns)
When the PBS bid window closed, the PBS Magic Machine spit out each Pilot's line award as if it was a "normal month of flying". What you were awarded, is what you are paid for the month of March. The Total Line Credits (speaking for the FO's) were as high as 87:20 clear down to the low/mid 70's, min line value.
Following the March PBS bid award, the Company is planning on wiping the PBS lines clean, and putting RX (Reserve) Days over they days that each Pilot is scheduled to fly during next month. Starting in March, each 787 Pilot that is to remain with the plane during the grounding will 'plan' to be scheduled to come to Houston 2x's a month (roughly every 14 days) to complete a CQST Sim session to remain "current". The Pilot is to be scheduled to do so ONLY on the days that he/she was slotted to fly via their March PBS award. IF the Company chooses to bring the Pilot down to IAH on an "OFF" day per the Pilot's PBS bid award, the Pilot is paid an additional 3.75hrs to their March PBS bid award.
All the above info was from the L-CAL MEC Update that was dated Jan 30, 2013. As of today, I have not been contacted/told to expect different.
IAH-AMS-IAH
IAH-LHR-IAH
IAH-LOS-IAH
IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-IAH
IAH-LAX-NRT-LAX-IAH
IAH-LAX-PVG-LAX-IAH
IAH-ORD-IAH (Turns)
When the PBS bid window closed, the PBS Magic Machine spit out each Pilot's line award as if it was a "normal month of flying". What you were awarded, is what you are paid for the month of March. The Total Line Credits (speaking for the FO's) were as high as 87:20 clear down to the low/mid 70's, min line value.
Following the March PBS bid award, the Company is planning on wiping the PBS lines clean, and putting RX (Reserve) Days over they days that each Pilot is scheduled to fly during next month. Starting in March, each 787 Pilot that is to remain with the plane during the grounding will 'plan' to be scheduled to come to Houston 2x's a month (roughly every 14 days) to complete a CQST Sim session to remain "current". The Pilot is to be scheduled to do so ONLY on the days that he/she was slotted to fly via their March PBS award. IF the Company chooses to bring the Pilot down to IAH on an "OFF" day per the Pilot's PBS bid award, the Pilot is paid an additional 3.75hrs to their March PBS bid award.
All the above info was from the L-CAL MEC Update that was dated Jan 30, 2013. As of today, I have not been contacted/told to expect different.
The guys who were in class just came back and did a requal MV LOE. Now they just get RX days or check airman flying for the rest of Feb and then bid what they previously held for March.
02-22-2013, 02:37 PM
#15
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Some of the 787 CA's I know that were in class are gonna go back to the previous equipment and get paid 787 wage.. They especially need 756 check airmen back apparently.. Sucks for the guys who didn't get to start class. They go back to previous equip without pay protection.
The guys who were in class just came back and did a requal MV LOE. Now they just get RX days or check airman flying for the rest of Feb and then bid what they previously held for March.
The guys who were in class just came back and did a requal MV LOE. Now they just get RX days or check airman flying for the rest of Feb and then bid what they previously held for March.
The previous brief ^^^ABOVE^^^ applied to the Pilots in the Dec 3rd class, or earlier that are to remain 'staffed' with the plane while it's grounded.
02-22-2013, 02:44 PM
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The "Cut-Off Class" to stay with the plane was the Dec 3rd (class start date) group. Classes after that were sent back to previous equipment, and pay protected starting with the Dec 27th class.
The previous brief ^^^ABOVE^^^ applied to the Pilots in the Dec 3rd class, or earlier that are to remain 'staffed' with the plane while it's grounded.
The previous brief ^^^ABOVE^^^ applied to the Pilots in the Dec 3rd class, or earlier that are to remain 'staffed' with the plane while it's grounded.
02-22-2013, 05:32 PM
#17
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02-22-2013, 07:23 PM
#18
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Considering you can't ship Lithium Ion batteries as cargo on passenger jets, it strikes me as PURE GENIUS that Boeing decided to put 98kg of them on the plastic 787.
Now their fix?
Put the batteries in a fireproof box with vents to send the smoke and fumes overboard when (not if) they catch on fire. Again, GENIUS.
Why? Because they wouldn't use pneumatics in the A/C pressurization system to save weight.
Bid the 787? Just a guess, but my money is on it going junior in a hurry.
Now their fix?
Put the batteries in a fireproof box with vents to send the smoke and fumes overboard when (not if) they catch on fire. Again, GENIUS.
Why? Because they wouldn't use pneumatics in the A/C pressurization system to save weight.
Bid the 787? Just a guess, but my money is on it going junior in a hurry.
We now have many cars that have a large amount of these batteries driving around every day charging and discharging more than probably happens on these aircraft. Fix the over heating problem and its no big deal. Put it in a fire proof box and we're all the better.
02-23-2013, 05:02 AM
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Some how I doubt the batteries were heating the leading edges.
We now have many cars that have a large amount of these batteries driving around every day charging and discharging more than probably happens on these aircraft. Fix the over heating problem and its no big deal. Put it in a fire proof box and we're all the better.
We now have many cars that have a large amount of these batteries driving around every day charging and discharging more than probably happens on these aircraft. Fix the over heating problem and its no big deal. Put it in a fire proof box and we're all the better.
Pretty interesting decision making process that they went through for 3% burn. As I see it, there are no bleeds on the 787. All electrical. Have no idea how it works, but that is right off of Boeing's website. Must hit the batteries pretty hard to require the switch from more traditional battery technology where all the batts have to do is start the APU and be ready for a backup role should everything else (including the RAT) fail.
As an aside, I have a small business in the radio control hobby world, and use both Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries extensively. We treat them like a ticking time bomb. Stored, transported and charged in a firesafe. I also charge them on a concrete floor away from any combustibles. I know of at least a dozen garage/house fires as a result of this technology being abused. I also have some experience with faulty cells and Lithium fires. Very hot fire and no way to put it out. Not a good thing on an airplane.
Scott
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