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Old 02-16-2013, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Eastie Pilot
That almost hurts coming from a regional lifer and new hire Eagle pilot.
Haha! I think you are totally correct.

(you forgot to say "bro" though... it helps him understand it better)
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So then the US MOU rate is the same as the AA MOU rate it appears.
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Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
So then the US MOU rate is the same as the AA MOU rate it appears.
The US MOU is the same as the AA MOU. So to answer your question.....yes.
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Originally Posted by Eastie Pilot
a. Group I: With the exception of aircraft identified in Groups II through V
below, any aircraft configured (i.e. as operated by American Airlines) with
greater than seventy-six (76) seats and less than one-hundred-eighteen
(118) seats, including E190/195, CRJ-1000, MRJ-100, and Bombardier
CS100.
b. Group II: Bombardier CS300, A319, A319neo, B737-700, B737-7MAX,
MD80, B737-800, B737-8MAX, B737-900, B737-9MAX, A320, A320neo,
A321, A321neo
c. Group III: B757, B767-200, B767-300, A300
d. Group IV: B767-400, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-200LR, B777-300,
B777-300ER, B787-8, B787-9, B787-10, A332, A333, A340, A350
e. Group V: A380, B747 (all variants)





CAPTAIN RATES
4% EFFECTIVE DATE
Year Group 5 Group 4 767-200 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $206.89 $197.04 $170.67 $167.20 $155.10 $105.47
3 $208.57 $198.64 $172.06 $168.56 $156.36 $106.32
4 $210.25 $200.24 $173.44 $169.91 $157.62 $107.18
5 $211.93 $201.84 $174.82 $171.27 $158.88 $108.03
6 $213.60 $203.43 $176.21 $172.63 $160.13 $108.89
7 $215.28 $205.03 $177.59 $173.98 $161.39 $109.74
8 $216.96 $206.63 $178.97 $175.34 $162.65 $110.60
9 $218.64 $208.23 $180.36 $176.69 $163.91 $111.45
10 $220.31 $209.82 $181.74 $178.05 $165.16 $112.31
11 $221.99 $211.42 $183.13 $179.40 $166.42 $113.16
12 $223.67 $213.02 $184.51 $180.76 $167.68 $114.02
FIRST OFFICER
4% EFFECTIVE DATE
Year Group 5 Group 4 767-200 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $103.45 $98.52 $85.34 $83.60 $77.55 $52.73
3 $125.14 $119.18 $103.23 $101.14 $93.82 $63.79
4 $128.25 $122.15 $105.80 $103.65 $96.15 $65.38
5 $131.39 $125.14 $108.39 $106.19 $98.50 $66.98
6 $134.57 $128.16 $111.01 $108.75 $100.88 $68.60
7 $137.78 $131.22 $113.66 $111.35 $103.29 $70.24
8 $141.02 $134.31 $116.33 $113.97 $105.72 $71.89
9 $145.39 $138.47 $119.94 $117.50 $109.00 $74.12
10 $148.71 $141.63 $122.68 $120.18 $111.49 $75.81
11 $150.95 $143.77 $124.53 $121.99 $113.17 $76.95
12 $152.10 $144.85 $125.47 $122.92 $114.02 $77.53
CAPTAIN RATES
8% 2014
Year Group 5 Group 4 767-200 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $223.45 $212.81 $184.32 $180.58 $167.51 $113.91
3 $225.26 $214.53 $185.82 $182.04 $168.87 $114.83
4 $227.07 $216.26 $187.32 $183.51 $170.23 $115.75
5 $228.88 $217.98 $188.81 $184.97 $171.59 $116.68
6 $230.69 $219.71 $190.31 $186.44 $172.95 $117.60
7 $232.50 $221.43 $191.80 $187.90 $174.30 $118.52
8 $234.32 $223.16 $193.29 $189.36 $175.66 $119.45
9 $236.13 $224.89 $194.79 $190.83 $177.02 $120.37
10 $237.94 $226.61 $196.28 $192.29 $178.38 $121.29
11 $239.75 $228.34 $197.78 $193.76 $179.74 $122.22
12 $241.56 $230.06 $199.27 $195.22 $181.09 $123.14
FIRST OFFICER
8% 2014
Year Group 5 Group 4 767-200 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $111.72 $106.40 $92.17 $90.29 $83.76 $56.95
3 $135.15 $128.72 $111.49 $109.23 $101.32 $68.90
4 $138.51 $131.92 $114.26 $111.94 $103.84 $70.61
5 $141.91 $135.15 $117.06 $114.68 $106.38 $72.34
6 $145.34 $138.42 $119.89 $117.45 $108.96 $74.09
7 $148.80 $141.72 $122.75 $120.26 $111.55 $75.86
8 $152.31 $145.05 $125.64 $123.09 $114.18 $77.64
9 $157.03 $149.55 $129.54 $126.90 $117.72 $80.05
10 $160.61 $152.96 $132.49 $129.80 $120.41 $81.87
11 $163.03 $155.27 $134.49 $131.75 $122.22 $83.11
12 $164.26 $156.44 $135.51 $132.75 $123.14 $83.74
CAPTAIN RATES
3% 2015
Year Group 5 Group 4 767-200 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $230.15 $219.19 $189.85 $186.00 $172.54 $117.32
3 $232.02 $220.97 $191.40 $187.50 $173.94 $118.27
4 $233.88 $222.75 $192.93 $189.01 $175.34 $119.23
5 $235.75 $224.52 $194.47 $190.52 $176.73 $120.18
6 $237.61 $226.30 $196.02 $192.03 $178.13 $121.13
7 $239.48 $228.08 $197.55 $193.54 $179.53 $122.08
8 $241.35 $229.85 $199.09 $195.05 $180.93 $123.03
9 $243.21 $231.63 $200.63 $196.55 $182.33 $123.98
10 $245.08 $233.41 $202.17 $198.06 $183.73 $124.93
11 $246.94 $235.19 $203.71 $199.57 $185.13 $125.88
12 $248.81 $236.96 $205.25 $201.08 $186.53 $126.84
FIRST OFFICER
3% 2015
Year Group 5 Group 4 767-200 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $115.07 $109.60 $94.93 $93.00 $86.27 $58.66
3 $139.21 $132.58 $114.83 $112.50 $104.36 $70.96
4 $142.67 $135.87 $117.69 $115.30 $106.95 $72.73
5 $146.16 $139.20 $120.57 $118.12 $109.58 $74.51
6 $149.70 $142.57 $123.49 $120.98 $112.22 $76.31
7 $153.27 $145.97 $126.44 $123.86 $114.90 $78.13
8 $156.88 $149.41 $129.41 $126.78 $117.61 $79.97
9 $161.74 $154.04 $133.42 $130.71 $121.25 $82.45
10 $165.43 $157.55 $136.47 $133.69 $124.02 $84.33
11 $167.92 $159.93 $138.53 $135.71 $125.89 $85.60
12 $169.19 $161.14 $139.57 $136.73 $126.84 $86.25
Parity rates on 1/1/2016 are subject to known comparator contractual rates and ASM weighting at
that time.
CAPTAIN RATES
16.5% 01/01/2016 PARITY REVIEW
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $268.05 $249.11 $207.29 $198.65 $136.64
3 $270.22 $251.13 $208.97 $200.26 $137.75
4 $272.39 $253.15 $210.65 $201.87 $138.86
5 $274.57 $255.17 $212.33 $203.49 $139.96
6 $276.74 $257.19 $214.02 $205.10 $141.07
7 $278.91 $259.21 $215.70 $206.71 $142.18
8 $281.09 $261.23 $217.38 $208.32 $143.29
9 $282.97 $262.98 $218.83 $209.71 $144.25
10 $285.43 $265.27 $220.74 $211.54 $145.50
11 $287.61 $267.29 $222.42 $213.15 $146.61
12 $289.78 $269.31 $224.10 $214.76 $147.72
FIRST OFFICER
16.5% 01/01/2016 PARITY REVIEW
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $134.02 $124.56 $103.65 $99.33 $68.32
3 $162.13 $150.68 $125.38 $120.16 $82.65
4 $166.16 $154.42 $128.50 $123.14 $84.70
5 $170.23 $158.21 $131.65 $126.16 $86.78
6 $174.35 $162.03 $134.83 $129.21 $88.88
7 $178.50 $165.89 $138.05 $132.29 $91.00
8 $182.71 $169.80 $141.30 $135.41 $93.14
9 $188.18 $174.88 $145.52 $139.46 $95.93
10 $192.67 $179.06 $149.00 $142.79 $98.22
11 $195.57 $181.76 $151.25 $144.94 $99.70
12 $197.05 $183.13 $152.39 $146.04 $100.45
CAPTAIN RATES
3.5% 2017
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $277.42 $257.83 $214.54 $205.61 $141.42
3 $279.67 $259.93 $216.28 $207.28 $142.57
4 $281.92 $262.02 $218.02 $208.94 $143.72
5 $284.16 $264.11 $219.76 $210.61 $144.86
6 $286.41 $266.20 $221.50 $212.28 $146.01
7 $288.66 $268.29 $223.24 $213.94 $147.16
8 $290.91 $270.38 $224.98 $215.61 $148.30
9 $292.86 $272.19 $226.49 $217.06 $149.30
10 $295.41 $274.56 $228.46 $218.95 $150.60
11 $297.66 $276.65 $230.20 $220.61 $151.74
12 $299.91 $278.74 $231.94 $222.28 $152.89
FIRST OFFICER
3.5% 2017
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $138.71 $128.92 $107.27 $102.80 $70.71
3 $167.80 $155.96 $129.77 $124.37 $85.54
4 $171.97 $159.83 $132.99 $127.46 $87.67
5 $176.18 $163.75 $136.25 $130.58 $89.82
6 $180.44 $167.70 $139.55 $133.73 $91.99
7 $184.74 $171.70 $142.88 $136.92 $94.18
8 $189.09 $175.75 $146.24 $140.15 $96.40
9 $194.75 $181.01 $150.62 $144.34 $99.28
10 $199.40 $185.33 $154.21 $147.79 $101.65
11 $202.41 $188.12 $156.54 $150.02 $103.19
12 $203.94 $189.54 $157.72 $151.15 $103.97
CAPTAIN RATES
3.5% 2018
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $287.13 $266.85 $222.06 $213.36 $146.37
3 $289.46 $269.02 $223.86 $215.09 $147.56
4 $291.79 $271.18 $225.66 $216.82 $148.75
5 $294.11 $273.34 $227.46 $218.55 $149.93
6 $296.44 $275.51 $229.26 $220.28 $151.12
7 $298.77 $277.67 $231.06 $222.01 $152.31
8 $301.10 $279.84 $232.86 $223.74 $153.49
9 $303.12 $281.71 $234.42 $225.24 $154.52
10 $305.75 $284.16 $236.46 $227.20 $155.87
11 $308.08 $286.33 $238.26 $228.93 $157.05
12 $310.41 $288.49 $240.06 $230.66 $158.24
FIRST OFFICER
3.5% 2018
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $143.56 $133.43 $111.03 $106.68 $73.19
3 $173.67 $161.41 $134.31 $129.05 $88.54
4 $177.99 $165.42 $137.65 $132.26 $90.73
5 $182.35 $169.47 $141.02 $135.50 $92.96
6 $186.76 $173.57 $144.43 $138.78 $95.21
7 $191.21 $177.71 $147.88 $142.09 $97.48
8 $195.71 $181.89 $151.36 $145.43 $99.77
9 $201.57 $187.34 $155.89 $149.78 $102.76
10 $206.38 $191.81 $159.61 $153.36 $105.21
11 $209.50 $194.70 $162.02 $155.67 $106.80
12 $211.08 $196.17 $163.24 $156.85 $107.60


thanks eastie this is what I was looking for.

now what is the First year pay going to be?

how long before they let people bid phx?
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Old 02-16-2013, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by atr42flyer
thanks eastie this is what I was looking for.

now what is the First year pay going to be?

how long before they let people bid phx?

According to the AA 2012 contract, first year pay is $40 per hour. That's roughly $36,000 first year not including any per diem or any pay over guarantee (73 hours). Some of this may change (for the better) during the JCBA (Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement) period set for later this year. This is obviously less than US 1st year pay. Like i said....this may change.

To your second question, I doubt any new hires will be able to bid Phoenix for at least 2 years. That's just a WAG. They still have furloughs in PHX. Until everything is combined (at least 2 years) it is doubtful there will be any openings there.
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Funny some of those figures are slightly less than when I saw this posted pre merger... From another forum:
Look at 2018 FO group 4 12 year pay....
Equipment Group (Band) I With the exception of aircraft identified in Groups II through V below, any aircraft configured (i.e. as operated by American Airlines) with greater than seventy-six (76) seats and less than one-hundred-eighteen (118) seats, including E190/195, CRJ-1000, MRJ-100, and Bombardier CS100.

Equipment Group (Band) II Bombardier CS300, A319, A319neo, B737-700,
B737 7MAX, MD80, B737-800, B737-8MAX, B737-900, B737-9MAX, A320, A320neo, A321, A321neo

Equipment Group (Band) III B757, B767-200, B767-300, A300

Equipment Group (Band) IV B767-400, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-200LR,
B777-300, B777-300ER, B787-8, B787-9, B787-10, A332, A333, A340, A350

Equipment Group (Band) V A380, B747 (all variants)



FIRST OFFICER HOURLY RATES (4% RAISE) EFFECTIVE DATE
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $103.45 $98.52 $83.60 $77.55 $52.73
3 $125.14 $119.18 $101.14 $93.82 $63.79
4 $128.25 $122.15 $103.65 $96.15 $65.38
5 $131.39 $125.14 $106.19 $98.50 $66.98
6 $134.57 $128.16 $108.75 $100.88 $68.60
7 $137.78 $131.22 $111.35 $103.29 $70.24
8 $141.02 $134.31 $113.97 $105.72 $71.89
9 $145.39 $138.47 $117.50 $109.00 $74.12
10 $148.71 $141.63 $120.18 $111.49 $75.81
11 $150.95 $143.77 $121.99 $113.17 $76.95
12 $152.10 $144.85 $122.92 $114.02 $77.53


CAPTAIN HOURLY RATES (4% RAISE) EFFECTIVE DATE
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $206.89 $197.04 $167.20 $155.10 $105.47
3 $208.57 $198.64 $168.56 $156.36 $106.32
4 $210.25 $200.24 $169.91 $157.62 $107.18
5 $211.93 $201.84 $171.27 $158.88 $108.03
6 $213.60 $203.43 $172.63 $160.13 $108.89
7 $215.28 $205.03 $173.98 $161.39 $109.74
8 $216.96 $206.63 $175.34 $162.65 $110.60
9 $218.64 $208.23 $176.69 $163.91 $111.45
10 $220.31 $209.82 $178.05 $165.16 $112.31
11 $221.99 $211.42 $179.40 $166.42 $113.16
12 $223.67 $213.02 $180.76 $167.68 $114.02


FIRST OFFICER HOURLY RATES (8% RAISE) 2014
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $111.72 $106.40 $90.29 $83.76 $56.95
3 $135.15 $128.72 $109.23 $101.32 $68.90
4 $138.51 $131.92 $111.94 $103.84 $70.61
5 $141.91 $135.15 $114.68 $106.38 $72.34
6 $145.34 $138.42 $117.45 $108.96 $74.09
7 $148.80 $141.72 $120.26 $111.55 $75.86
8 $152.31 $145.05 $123.09 $114.18 $77.64
9 $157.03 $149.55 $126.90 $117.72 $80.05
10 $160.61 $152.96 $129.80 $120.41 $81.87
11 $163.03 $155.27 $131.75 $122.22 $83.11
12 $164.26 $156.44 $132.75 $123.14 $83.74


CAPTAIN HOURLY RATES (8% RAISE) 2014
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $223.45 $212.81 $180.58 $167.51 $113.91
3 $225.26 $214.53 $182.04 $168.87 $114.83
4 $227.07 $216.26 $183.51 $170.23 $115.75
5 $228.88 $217.98 $184.97 $171.59 $116.68
6 $230.69 $219.71 $186.44 $172.95 $117.60
7 $232.50 $221.43 $187.90 $174.30 $118.52
8 $234.32 $223.16 $189.36 $175.66 $119.45
9 $236.13 $224.89 $190.83 $177.02 $120.37
10 $237.94 $226.61 $192.29 $178.38 $121.29
11 $239.75 $228.34 $193.76 $179.74 $122.22
12 $241.56 $230.06 $195.22 $181.09 $123.14


FIRST OFFICER HOURLY RATES (3% RAISE) 2015
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $115.07 $109.60 $93.00 $86.27 $58.66
3 $139.21 $132.58 $112.50 $104.36 $70.96
4 $142.67 $135.87 $115.30 $106.95 $72.73
5 $146.16 $139.20 $118.12 $109.58 $74.51
6 $149.70 $142.57 $120.98 $112.22 $76.31
7 $153.27 $145.97 $123.86 $114.90 $78.13
8 $156.88 $149.41 $126.78 $117.61 $79.97
9 $161.74 $154.04 $130.71 $121.25 $82.45
10 $165.43 $157.55 $133.69 $124.02 $84.33
11 $167.92 $159.93 $135.71 $125.89 $85.60
12 $169.19 $161.14 $136.73 $126.84 $86.25


CAPTAIN HOURLY RATES (3% RAISE) 2015
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $230.15 $219.19 $186.00 $172.54 $117.32
3 $232.02 $220.97 $187.50 $173.94 $118.27
4 $233.88 $222.75 $189.01 $175.34 $119.23
5 $235.75 $224.52 $190.52 $176.73 $120.18
6 $237.61 $226.30 $192.03 $178.13 $121.13
7 $239.48 $228.08 $193.54 $179.53 $122.08
8 $241.35 $229.85 $195.05 $180.93 $123.03
9 $243.21 $231.63 $196.55 $182.33 $123.98
10 $245.08 $233.41 $198.06 $183.73 $124.93
11 $246.94 $235.19 $199.57 $185.13 $125.88
12 $248.81 $236.96 $201.08 $186.53 $126.84


FIRST OFFICER HOURLY RATES (16.5% RAISE) 2016 - PARITY REVIEW
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $134.02 $127.64 $108.31 $100.47 $68.32
3 $162.13 $154.41 $131.03 $121.55 $82.65
4 $166.16 $158.25 $134.28 $124.57 $84.70
5 $170.23 $162.12 $137.57 $127.62 $86.78
6 $174.35 $166.04 $140.90 $130.70 $88.88
7 $178.50 $170.00 $144.26 $133.82 $91.00
8 $182.71 $174.01 $147.65 $136.97 $93.14
9 $188.37 $179.40 $152.23 $141.21 $96.02
10 $192.67 $183.49 $155.70 $144.44 $98.22
11 $195.57 $186.26 $158.05 $146.62 $99.70
12 $197.05 $187.67 $159.25 $147.72 $100.45


CAPTAIN HOURLY RATES (16.5% RAISE) 2016 - PARITY REVIEW
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $268.05 $255.28 $216.62 $200.95 $136.64
3 $270.22 $257.35 $218.38 $202.58 $137.75
4 $272.39 $259.42 $220.13 $204.21 $138.86
5 $274.57 $261.49 $221.89 $205.83 $139.96
6 $276.74 $263.56 $223.65 $207.46 $141.07
7 $278.91 $265.63 $225.40 $209.09 $142.18
8 $281.09 $267.70 $227.16 $210.72 $143.29
9 $283.26 $269.77 $228.92 $212.35 $144.40
10 $285.43 $271.84 $230.67 $213.98 $145.50
11 $287.61 $273.91 $232.43 $215.61 $146.61
12 $289.78 $275.98 $234.19 $217.24 $147.72


FIRST OFFICER HOURLY RATES (3.5% RAISE) 2017
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $138.71 $132.11 $112.10 $103.99 $70.71
3 $167.81 $159.82 $135.61 $125.80 $85.54
4 $171.97 $163.79 $138.98 $128.93 $87.67
5 $176.19 $167.80 $142.39 $132.08 $89.82
6 $180.45 $171.86 $145.83 $135.28 $91.99
7 $184.75 $175.95 $149.31 $138.50 $94.18
8 $189.10 $180.10 $152.82 $141.76 $96.40
9 $194.96 $185.68 $157.56 $146.16 $99.38
10 $199.41 $189.91 $161.15 $149.49 $101.65


CAPTAIN HOURLY RATES (3.5% RAISE) 2017
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $277.43 $264.22 $224.20 $207.98 $141.42
3 $279.68 $266.36 $226.02 $209.67 $142.57
4 $281.93 $268.50 $227.84 $211.35 $143.72
5 $284.17 $270.64 $229.66 $213.04 $144.86
6 $286.42 $272.79 $231.48 $214.73 $146.01
7 $288.67 $274.93 $233.29 $216.41 $147.16
8 $290.92 $277.07 $235.11 $218.10 $148.30
9 $293.17 $279.21 $236.93 $219.78 $149.45
10 $295.42 $281.36 $238.75 $221.47 $150.60
11 $297.67 $283.50 $240.56 $223.16 $151.74
12 $299.92 $285.64 $242.38 $224.84 $152.89


FIRST OFFICER HOURLY RATES (3.5% RAISE) 2018
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $143.57 $136.73 $116.03 $107.63 $73.19
3 $173.68 $165.41 $140.36 $130.20 $88.54
4 $177.99 $169.52 $143.85 $133.44 $90.74
5 $182.36 $173.67 $147.37 $136.71 $92.96
6 $186.76 $177.87 $150.93 $140.01 $95.21
7 $191.22 $182.11 $154.53 $143.35 $97.48
8 $195.72 $186.40 $158.17 $146.73 $99.77
9 $201.78 $192.18 $163.07 $151.27 $102.86
10 $206.39 $196.56 $166.79 $154.73 $105.21
11 $209.50 $199.53 $169.31 $157.06 $106.80
12 $211.08 $201.03 $170.59 $158.24 $107.60


CAPTAIN HOURLY RATES (3.5% RAISE) 2018
Year Group 5 Group 4 Group 3 Group 2 Group 1
2 $287.14 $273.46 $232.05 $215.26 $146.37
3 $289.46 $275.68 $233.93 $217.00 $147.56
4 $291.79 $277.90 $235.81 $218.75 $148.75
5 $294.12 $280.12 $237.70 $220.50 $149.93
6 $296.45 $282.33 $239.58 $222.24 $151.12
7 $298.78 $284.55 $241.46 $223.99 $152.31
8 $301.11 $286.77 $243.34 $225.73 $153.49
9 $303.43 $288.99 $245.22 $227.48 $154.68
10 $305.76 $291.20 $247.10 $229.22 $155.87
11 $308.09 $293.42 $248.98 $230.97 $157.05
12 $310.42 $295.64 $250.87 $232.71 $158.24
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Old 02-16-2013, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
Funny some of those figures are slightly less than when I saw this posted pre merger... From another forum:
Look at 2018 FO group 4 12 year pay....

There was an error in the rates for the later years that was published a few weeks ago. These figures are the correct "corrected" numbers.
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