Topper

I know a "guy" terminated after having two missed trips and did not complete a dead head after asking for premission. CAn he with 5500 tt 4785 pic and 2057 turb Jet pic, able to get back to a 121 job? could really use some good advice. Made mistake learning HARD lesson and ready for move forward.

Tailwinds.

mike734

Sure, negotiate a resignation and immediately go to school or do some other worthwhile thing. Give it six months and then get back in. If that is not possible, lie like hell and try to get away with it.

Velocipede

He's done. The airlines routinely share employee information now. Getting the axe for those reasons is the kiss of death for an airline career.

John Pennekamp

That's baloney. With time like yours, most regionals would hire you... uh I mean "the guy" gladly. Just be honest and upfront and tell them how you learned your lesson.

By the way did you... uh I mean "the guy" file a grievance?

Velocipede

You're probably right. But a regional is about as far as he would go. At my airline, he wouldn't get an interview due to the the job record sharing that goes on these days.

I'd look into mortuary science if I was you...you'll never run out of customers.

John Pennekamp

If you don't mind my asking, which airline do you work for? I know plenty who have been hired at majors with a blemished record. Your record isn't everything, especially when the blemish is a one timer in a long record.

FlyerJosh

I agree John. It might set a career back a few years, but one incident many years ago won't end a career or necessarily prevent somebody from getting hired at a "coveted major" wherever that is...

Go back, fly for a regional, rebuild your reputation and then move on. If folks with DUIs and other questionable histories can get hired at XYZ airlines (and they're out there at every company), this shouldn't be a big deal either.

Better yet, ditch the airlines! They aren't what they used to be! Find yourself a nice little charter or corporate gig and forget about the 121 world!

Fedex999999

Your buddy needs professional advice- try calling Cheryl Cage or other profressional airline interview consultants. When he speaks to them, he needs to be totally honest- no glossing over the situation, no trying to make himself look good- he needs to put it all out on the table for them, so they can help him decide the best course of action.

Jetjok

How about claiming you're (he's) an alcoholic, checking yourself into a clinic for a month of pampering, then get released and sue for your job back. It's worked for a number of airline guys over the years, and it's certainly worked for a large group of actors and politicians.

Seriously, did the company warn this guy after each occurance? Was a letter (or two, or three) put in his file? If not, he may have a case for wrongful termination. He should check with a aviation lawyer. Was his airline a union shop? Was he offered union representation for his firing and exit meeting? All these things come into play. However, it is a very slippery slope, once you start on the road of trying to regain your lost job. Companies don't take well to their right to fire being challanged. However, if an attorney says he has a good case, he should seriously consider suing for his job. At times, airlines have lost lawsuits and have negotiated a cash payout to the ex-employee, instead of giving him/her their job back. That would be the best of all worlds. He could put a bunch of $$ in the bank, and the company could uphold their "honor" or his remaining "fired." At any rate, good luck with whatever he decides to do.

captjns

First of all Topper do you think missing two trips and being insubordinate is a stupid reason for being terminated? Do you realize the cost to the company? You only heard his side of the story. You know there are three sides to every story... the plaintiff's, the company's and the truth.

Anyway missing one trip??? it happens. Missing two trips… learn from the first time you missed a trip. Refusing to complete a dead head even if permission was requested and denied??? Insubordination!

The best your friend can hope for is that can go back to his previous employer and change his termination to a resignation. Your friend may have been offered the option of being terminated or resigning. Some states will allow terminated employed to collect unemployment, if they were terminated.

Under the pilot records improvement act, airlines are required to share complete training records only. As far as employment verification goes a previous employer can only indicate his/her period of employment with a notation of voluntary resignation by the employee, or termination of employment by the company without details.

The facts of life can be brutal to one's career regardless of the pilot record improvement act. Chief pilots from airlines usually know each other and sometimes make phone calls as to what really happened to who ever.


Hopefully if your friend wakes up and gets his act together and gets a second chance he won't screw it up.