Jetblue rants
11-18-2012, 02:01 PM
#31
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I think you are right, there will be a big exodus once the major and legacy carriers start hiring again. Coming from a military background this place was a bad move when I look back. I should have never believed all the hype I had heard, would have saved a lot of time to just go do something else.
For me, it's all about COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS. That is how you measure what kind of Airline you work for. NOT by how "great" they "say" the place is.
Money talks, bull$hit walks.
JJ
11-20-2012, 07:34 PM
#32
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I thought jb was a major when I got hired. In retrospect its little more than a glorified regional with low pay, poor work rules and substandard benefits. They push the culture to make people feel like they are part of something bigger and better, so therefore will work for less. Sorry but the coolness factor loses credibility every time you look at your paycheck and 401k account. You can call it low cost, regional, whatever semantics you wish but its nothing more than what I just said.
11-20-2012, 07:56 PM
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Although that may be true, NOBODY signs up to be an airline pilot with the final step to get to a major, and is happy because, "Well, it's more than regional pay". When more and more pilots have that attitude, the more and more you'll start seeing "Majors" start reducing the pay rates even further.
11-21-2012, 05:45 AM
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So when/how is improvements going to be made? If everyone is so fed up with pay/healthcare what's being done? Besides board rants and complaining in cruise during transcon flights is the next drive underway? I'm guessing management is getting plenty of complaints- what are their answers?
My opinion as an outsider- pilot retention is going to be a problem and training costs up significantly once UAL/CAL votes in TA and pulls from the street- this seems imminent. Doesn't it benefit the company to keep mid level/jr FO s in place instead of retraining? But what do I know......
My opinion as an outsider- pilot retention is going to be a problem and training costs up significantly once UAL/CAL votes in TA and pulls from the street- this seems imminent. Doesn't it benefit the company to keep mid level/jr FO s in place instead of retraining? But what do I know......
11-21-2012, 08:01 AM
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So when/how is improvements going to be made? If everyone is so fed up with pay/healthcare what's being done? Besides board rants and complaining in cruise during transcon flights is the next drive underway? I'm guessing management is getting plenty of complaints- what are their answers?
My opinion as an outsider- pilot retention is going to be a problem and training costs up significantly once UAL/CAL votes in TA and pulls from the street- this seems imminent. Doesn't it benefit the company to keep mid level/jr FO s in place instead of retraining? But what do I know......
My opinion as an outsider- pilot retention is going to be a problem and training costs up significantly once UAL/CAL votes in TA and pulls from the street- this seems imminent. Doesn't it benefit the company to keep mid level/jr FO s in place instead of retraining? But what do I know......
Doesn't matter what any MGMT says. Only their actions count. They do as they see fit. Some Airlines invest in Pilots. Some do not!
Career Pilots don't want to hear "talk". They want to see a competitve compensation package.
JJ
11-21-2012, 08:19 AM
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Believing every story they are told about how they will enjoy greater job security if they are willing to forego unionization and industry std compensation and benefits.
JJ
11-21-2012, 12:46 PM
#38
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I hear a lot of people ranting about how jetBlue isn't a destination airline anymore. I'd love to see it become one since I'd prefer this be my last airline. If people just rant, complain and jump ship, it'll never happen. If there's a concentrated effort to try to educate everyone, communicate well (which seems to be the hardest part for a lot of people) and try to make things better, it COULD be a destination carrier. Even if you DO plan on leaving, helping to improve jetBlue before you move on gives you one less potential carrier for your new employer to point to and say "They'll do it for peanuts, why won't you?"
11-22-2012, 03:08 AM
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