US Airways Calls
09-12-2012, 04:20 PM
#41
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: CRJ200
Posts: 81
XJT, speaking of the worst rules. What kind of contract could you be possibly working under at your regional that is better than US/AW contract. You also seem like one of those guys who did apply and got the NO, just bitter about it. Enjoy watching from the sidelines as the rest of your co workers jump ship for a better career elsewhere. Boy.
I would love to go to a Major in the next few years, but man I hope they get better contracts, pay, and health care. And i will never come close to the health coverage i have now. NEVER!! That's worth is weight in Gold!
Sorry guys. I hate being the devils advocate, but US/AW has to get their act straight. If they ever get the combined list done (which i doubt will happen) they need to fight for a minimum of Delta plus 1%. That will make it a lot easier for us poor regional pilots to move on.
09-12-2012, 08:34 PM
#48
Flies With The Hat On
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Right of the Left Seat
Posts: 1,339
XJT Pilot,
I said this before and I'll say it again—the majors will need 9,500 pilots between now and the end of 2020. There are only 9,500 current regional pilots flying outsourced/contracted ops.
Delta is insourcing 218 50 seaters while adding a third as many 76 seat CRJ 900s—DCI pilots as a whole may suffer. UAL/CAL are jointly opposed to relaxing scope. US Airways and AMR pilots demand industry standard contract terms including scope.
100 seat aircraft will certainly not be going to regional operators in this contract cycle. Doug Parker has already agreed in the APA term sheet to designate all C-Series comparable aircraft, E190/195 in this case, as mainline.
Keep an open mind XJT Pilot.
I said this before and I'll say it again—the majors will need 9,500 pilots between now and the end of 2020. There are only 9,500 current regional pilots flying outsourced/contracted ops.
Delta is insourcing 218 50 seaters while adding a third as many 76 seat CRJ 900s—DCI pilots as a whole may suffer. UAL/CAL are jointly opposed to relaxing scope. US Airways and AMR pilots demand industry standard contract terms including scope.
100 seat aircraft will certainly not be going to regional operators in this contract cycle. Doug Parker has already agreed in the APA term sheet to designate all C-Series comparable aircraft, E190/195 in this case, as mainline.
Keep an open mind XJT Pilot.
09-12-2012, 08:58 PM
#49
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: CR7 Capt
Posts: 1,621
Well just signed another CPA today with AA at the expense of mainline. I would leave also for 60k first year and 90k second until that offer comes I'm sticking right here, someone forgot to tell them of your plan for the future of this industry. Like i said b4 u guys taking crap paying jibs undercuts us all. So look in the mirror when your a 15 yr capt making 84k at USAir and ask yourself how did i get here?!
09-12-2012, 09:05 PM
#50
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: B777/CA retired
Posts: 1,502
I loved that game!
A few misunderstandings here:
The West contract has cancellation pay, block or better, 5+15 per duty day minimum credit, 5+15 for any RONs over 24 hours, Short term disability that pays 60% and resets every time you come back to work (no need to use sick bank for more than 5 days off), Long term disability that goes to age 67 and has no income offset, 6% into your 401k and that's just off the top of my head.
The East contract, aka LOA93, is a bankruptcy contract that needs to go away sooner rather than later. A small matter of a seniority dispute is holding that up. Judge Silver should rule any time now on whether the company is required to use the Nicolau Award as the seniority list. One way or another, the SLI will be finalized, even in the absense of a merger. With a merger the SLI will be done sooner, as we will be doing it under MB and the company has only the Nic award as the only merged seniority list they have accepted from the AAA/AWA merger. In any event, the courts will settle this soon.
Anyone who would make a decision on coming here based on the current LOA 93 is not making a smart decision. Don't look at the now, look at the later. 5 years down the road USAPA will be gone and a successor union will have a contract in place that will be a parity contract. Parker has already put in the LCC MOU that a Delta equivalent contract would be negotiated after 3 years, not 6. If we don't merge with AA then the contract may not be parity but it will be at least a lot closer to Delta/UCal wages than the 125 per hour for Airbus Capt the East makes or the 143/hr the West gets.
Retirements in the next 5 to 10 years? A ****eload. There are F/Os on the East that will retire at 65 still in that seat but the new guys will see a lot of turnover in the next decade. This place is not Delta or UCal right now but if this merger goes through then it will be on par. If there is no merger it still will be a strong number four to the Big 3 plus SWA. Parker has proven the place can make money if it is run right. 500 million in profits 2 years ago and 75 million last year is not chump change.
A few misunderstandings here:
The West contract has cancellation pay, block or better, 5+15 per duty day minimum credit, 5+15 for any RONs over 24 hours, Short term disability that pays 60% and resets every time you come back to work (no need to use sick bank for more than 5 days off), Long term disability that goes to age 67 and has no income offset, 6% into your 401k and that's just off the top of my head.
The East contract, aka LOA93, is a bankruptcy contract that needs to go away sooner rather than later. A small matter of a seniority dispute is holding that up. Judge Silver should rule any time now on whether the company is required to use the Nicolau Award as the seniority list. One way or another, the SLI will be finalized, even in the absense of a merger. With a merger the SLI will be done sooner, as we will be doing it under MB and the company has only the Nic award as the only merged seniority list they have accepted from the AAA/AWA merger. In any event, the courts will settle this soon.
Anyone who would make a decision on coming here based on the current LOA 93 is not making a smart decision. Don't look at the now, look at the later. 5 years down the road USAPA will be gone and a successor union will have a contract in place that will be a parity contract. Parker has already put in the LCC MOU that a Delta equivalent contract would be negotiated after 3 years, not 6. If we don't merge with AA then the contract may not be parity but it will be at least a lot closer to Delta/UCal wages than the 125 per hour for Airbus Capt the East makes or the 143/hr the West gets.
Retirements in the next 5 to 10 years? A ****eload. There are F/Os on the East that will retire at 65 still in that seat but the new guys will see a lot of turnover in the next decade. This place is not Delta or UCal right now but if this merger goes through then it will be on par. If there is no merger it still will be a strong number four to the Big 3 plus SWA. Parker has proven the place can make money if it is run right. 500 million in profits 2 years ago and 75 million last year is not chump change.
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