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Old 07-21-2013, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
No we are not saying the same thing. Save Dave has much more than 3 year seniority at usairways, now that we have a single contract save Dave has the right to the Nicolau award at Por.
That is not how the company sees it, so absent a ruling from Judge Silver, it will not happen. Didn't you see Kirby tell old C/O Gay "NO" when he asked if the Nic would be used at POR?
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Not true, we amended the TA except for seniority. Go read it, neutral on east/west seniority.
Right, neutral east/west, and the seniority listS currently in effect will be used until US pilots are integrated with AA, using a process consistent with M/B. You need to go read it.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by UNDPilot
There are 190 fo's awarded ab in MARCH still bidding on the 190....
Are you serious? They must nearly all be gone.

Originally Posted by cactiboss
No we are not saying the same thing. Save Dave has much more than 3 year seniority at usairways, now that we have a single contract save Dave has the right to the Nicolau award at Por.
Dave was the most junior pilot on the west side which is why, he is behind the last East FO and in front of all 3rd List Pilots—which is where he is today.

Dave's 3 years bidding seniority is the equivalent of whatever he would be had Nic been put in place.

If you want to continue this we'll fire back up the AOL thread, but lets not debate here.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by flybywire44
Are you serious? They must nearly all be gone.



Dave was the most junior pilot on the west side which is why, he is behind the last East FO and in front of all 3rd List Pilots—which is where he is today.

Dave's 3 years bidding seniority is the equivalent of whatever he would be had Nic been put in place.

If you want to continue this we'll fire back up the AOL thread, but lets not debate here.
Save Dave is one number senior to Collelo. You better get a calculator.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:57 AM
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So can anyone shed any light on this single sept class being canceled and if its just as a result of being backed up?
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Save Dave is one number senior to Collelo. You better get a calculator.
Okay cactiboss.

I can tell you that Save Dave is happy as hell and can fly left seat if he wants. He's very positive and excited about the merger regardless of how the chips fall.

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So can anyone shed any light on this single sept class being canceled and if its just as a result of being backed up?
We're still waiting.
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Old 07-22-2013, 01:36 PM
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This isn't specific to the September class, but the training center is running pretty much full bore right now. A check airman on my jumpseat basically told me all the Airbus sims in CLT and PHX are running at "capacity without F sessions" ... F sessions being 0200-0600 sim periods, which they really hate to use because it makes maintenance really difficult to accomplish. The E190 sim is running full tilt as well ... and that's basically all we are hiring in to. With normal recurrent training and movement from recent equipment bids, it is definitely a busy time there.

NONE of the factors requiring additional staffing are changing anytime soon ... we are still adding A321s and A330s which require greater staffing than the a/c they replace, we are still retiring pilots every month who need to be replaced, and the staffing needs of the new rest rules are still coming in January. The min fleet count requirement goes away at POR, but the block hour requirements of the MOU don't allow for much in the way of reduction anywhere on the system. Even if they wanted to spread those hours over fewer airplanes (increased utilization), the block hours would dictate the staffing requirements moreso than the number of airplanes required to fly them.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:03 PM
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sounds like they are in over their heads. It's not going to get better either.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:16 PM
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Yikes does your contract/MOU allow training in those hours? 0200-0600?
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:09 PM
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Is there more than one august class confirmed?
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