Fly782

Not arrogance, just fed up with all your posts with Cactiboss regarding this subject. Why keep bringing the topic of seniority integration up? US and AA, with their track record, I would say it may not be like NW/DL. I understand trying to learn about it. Now for the fun part... I work at a regional. I should have kept quiet but your post to Sink R8 about it not being his career when he was trying to help peeved me

R57 relay

Don't read it, ignore it. I told you why, to see what other integrations achieved.

A regional huh? Which one? How much merger experience do you have? I mean, there must be tons for you to be preaching to me.

Sinkr8's comments lofty comments peeved me. A bit arrogant, IMHO.

texavia

Thank you very much for your advice. I think you know where you can go.

I've got less than 5 years to go. If I was young enough to start over somewhere , it would not be flying.

Have a nice day.

76drvr

R57, IMHO the key to a relatively successful merger is to seperate the SLI from the JCBA and convince management that everyone is willing to work towards a succefull and rapid merger of both airlines and that therefore the pilots ought to be compensated for the effort.

The JCBA should be ratified first, so that it is not held hostage to the SLI. You have to have faith in your position with regards to seniority integration, bring your strongest case to the negotiating table and arbitration if need be, then live with the result. If the integrated list does not jive with your expectations, accept the fact that your expectations may have been tainted by your perspective and that the dispassionate opinion of a third party is probably more fair then the passionate opinion of those being integrated.

R57 relay

Agreed, the lesson learned from our disaster.

A group from ALPA national came to meet with us in CLT after the Nic came out. One of the panel was a NW guy. He said their merger committee learned from our mistakes.

Bucking Bar

Guess one relevant take away from the Delta and NWA merger is the reliance on a speculative model of a future status (which may be pure conjecture and crap from a merger committee) used as an "equity " to adjust the current (real) status quo. By ignoring current status quo the outcome of mergers are a great deal less certain. If current status means nothing then it is more just a matter of who throws what at the wall and how much sticks.

If you don't believe me now wait for the next merger and watch all the fNWA guys to write "bucking bar was on to something."

Bucking Bar

More importantly the DAL MEC learned and put an appropriately high value on peace. They were correct (despite my whining about the two displacements they got me).

R57 relay

One other thing on this. It seems clear today, but it wasn't in 2005. Both sides agreed to the ratification of a JCBA as a condition of completing the merger. Several of my west friends have told me that they so feared a SLI with us that they viewed it as a safety stop in case a a bad award.

I fully believe that if we had a contract even in the neighborhood of DL's last contract this would be over. We didn't and we don't. The comprehensive company proposal put out just before the Nic came out was crap and is what they are sticking to. That was 2 years after the merger. Had they not tried to get every nickel out of us, we would have had a joint contract in place before the Nic came out, there was nothing preventing that, and the Nic would have put the last piece of the puzzle in place.

It doesn't seem that it was that way at DL. I know it wasn't easy, but they put the money on the table to get the job done. UA is following your t template, but not having as much success, right?

Bucking Bar

Excellent post R57.

newKnow

Doesn't that depend on who the next merger is with?