Delta schedules
#1
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Delta schedules
I was just curious how the schedules are constructed at Delta. I know this varies from aircraft to aircraft, but are schedules predominantly 4 day trips or are there 2 and 3 day trips available too?
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#2
Somebody else can speak up on other categories. I think some of the small busses have 5 day trips too..
#3
On Domestic fleets, trips range from 1 to 5 days in length. (5 day trips only on former "north" metal - i.e. 320, DC9.) I would say 3 and 4 day trips are most common on former "south" metal. (73, M88) Day trips and two days tend to go senior in bases with a large number a pilots living there (ATL, MSP, etc.) "Short leg" aircraft (DC9/MD88,) tend to have between 2 and 5 legs per day, with the longer legged aircraft (320, 73, 75,) tending towards the lower end of that range.
#4
Just to give some flavor, at least on the domestic side, here is how it breaks down for the 320 by trip length (1/2/3/4/5):
And for God's gift to us, the MD88:
And 737:
- DTW 8% / 10% / 30% / 19% / 34%
- SLC 14% / 12% / 22% / 26% / 26%
- ATL 24% / 17% / 27% /23% / 10%
- NYC 13% / 13% / 45% / 22% / 8%
And for God's gift to us, the MD88:
- ATL 14% / 17% / 31% / 38% / 0%
- CVG 12% / 12% / 32% / 43% / 0%
- MSP 26% / 2% / 17% / 56% / 0%
- NYC 9% / 9% / 32% / 50% / 0%
And 737:
- ATL 20% / 16% / 16% / 49% / 0%
- CVG 5% / 33% / 32% / 23% / 0%
- LAX 2% / 14% / 17% / 67% / 0%
- NYC 11% / 9% / 29% / 51% / 0%
#5
So can someone help me to understand what a typical new hire schedule is like at Delta? How many days per month are you home? Assuming you live in base. How about a 5 year FO? Junior capt?
Just looking for an average idea of how many days worked per month and how many nights spent away from home vs at home (again, assuming you live in base).
Thanks!
Just looking for an average idea of how many days worked per month and how many nights spent away from home vs at home (again, assuming you live in base).
Thanks!
#6
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So can someone help me to understand what a typical new hire schedule is like at Delta? How many days per month are you home? Assuming you live in base. How about a 5 year FO? Junior capt?
Just looking for an average idea of how many days worked per month and how many nights spent away from home vs at home (again, assuming you live in base).
Thanks!
Just looking for an average idea of how many days worked per month and how many nights spent away from home vs at home (again, assuming you live in base).
Thanks!
#8
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 7,007
Guys,
A couple of things to think about:
The most important thing about DAL is that there is a huge variety of flying and with a little seniority you can pick your poison. 1 day turns to14 day international trips.
During the past decade we had all kinds of movement, stagnant, backwards, non-existent etc - you get the picture. Once hiring starts the movement should be fairly rapid. If all goes well (which it usually does not in this industry) new hires will be able to decide fairly quickly if they want to chase QOL or money, and it will have a huge impact on the type of flying you do.
I believe New hires will have a one year seat lock in equipment (but not base) so it may take a year to get what/where you want but I anticipate new hires being able to fly in any base at the 1 year mark. For reference the last time we had any serious movement (2000) new hires were being awarded AE's for the 88 before their rating ride as FE on the 727. I was able to get to LAX in month two as a FE.
lets look at two scenarios for new hire QOL, Good and Crappy (typical).
A (good): New hire gets M88B. Plenty of movement. Can bid any 88 base within 2 months. In a junior base (NYC) he gets a line in 3 months. If he bids to a more senior 88 base he might be on reserve for 10 months or even the whole year.
B (crappy): New hire gets 7ER (doubtful but it has happened before, but remember it is just a hypothetical to show extremes). Typical (stagnant) movement. Can not get out of new hire base. Sits reserve all year. After lock is up, he bids to 88B and gets base of choice. Sits reserve at senior 88 base holds a line in junior 88 base.
All of the above is speculation on what may happen, we will know a little, more when we get the early retiree numbers next month and a lot more when hiring starts.
Good luck to all potential DAL new hires!
Scoop
A couple of things to think about:
The most important thing about DAL is that there is a huge variety of flying and with a little seniority you can pick your poison. 1 day turns to14 day international trips.
During the past decade we had all kinds of movement, stagnant, backwards, non-existent etc - you get the picture. Once hiring starts the movement should be fairly rapid. If all goes well (which it usually does not in this industry) new hires will be able to decide fairly quickly if they want to chase QOL or money, and it will have a huge impact on the type of flying you do.
I believe New hires will have a one year seat lock in equipment (but not base) so it may take a year to get what/where you want but I anticipate new hires being able to fly in any base at the 1 year mark. For reference the last time we had any serious movement (2000) new hires were being awarded AE's for the 88 before their rating ride as FE on the 727. I was able to get to LAX in month two as a FE.
lets look at two scenarios for new hire QOL, Good and Crappy (typical).
A (good): New hire gets M88B. Plenty of movement. Can bid any 88 base within 2 months. In a junior base (NYC) he gets a line in 3 months. If he bids to a more senior 88 base he might be on reserve for 10 months or even the whole year.
B (crappy): New hire gets 7ER (doubtful but it has happened before, but remember it is just a hypothetical to show extremes). Typical (stagnant) movement. Can not get out of new hire base. Sits reserve all year. After lock is up, he bids to 88B and gets base of choice. Sits reserve at senior 88 base holds a line in junior 88 base.
All of the above is speculation on what may happen, we will know a little, more when we get the early retiree numbers next month and a lot more when hiring starts.
Good luck to all potential DAL new hires!
Scoop
#9
I know we have some 8 day Africa trips in NYC on the ER. Most of the trips seem to be 3 or 4 days, though (lots of redeye too). On the bus you'll get mostly 4 and 5 day trips. These are pretty good if you're a commuter. Reserve here is pretty good if you can sit long call at home-even better if you can live in base. The 24 hour short call for int'l sucks, but it's going away with the new rest rules.
#10
Guys,
A couple of things to think about:
The most important thing about DAL is that there is a huge variety of flying and with a little seniority you can pick your poison. 1 day turns to14 day international trips.
During the past decade we had all kinds of movement, stagnant, backwards, non-existent etc - you get the picture. Once hiring starts the movement should be fairly rapid. If all goes well (which it usually does not in this industry) new hires will be able to decide fairly quickly if they want to chase QOL or money, and it will have a huge impact on the type of flying you do.
I believe New hires will have a one year seat lock in equipment (but not base) so it may take a year to get what/where you want but I anticipate new hires being able to fly in any base at the 1 year mark. For reference the last time we had any serious movement (2000) new hires were being awarded AE's for the 88 before their rating ride as FE on the 727. I was able to get to LAX in month two as a FE.
lets look at two scenarios for new hire QOL, Good and Crappy (typical).
A (good): New hire gets M88B. Plenty of movement. Can bid any 88 base within 2 months. In a junior base (NYC) he gets a line in 3 months. If he bids to a more senior 88 base he might be on reserve for 10 months or even the whole year.
B (crappy): New hire gets 7ER (doubtful but it has happened before, but remember it is just a hypothetical to show extremes). Typical (stagnant) movement. Can not get out of new hire base. Sits reserve all year. After lock is up, he bids to 88B and gets base of choice. Sits reserve at senior 88 base holds a line in junior 88 base.
All of the above is speculation on what may happen, we will know a little, more when we get the early retiree numbers next month and a lot more when hiring starts.
Good luck to all potential DAL new hires!
Scoop
A couple of things to think about:
The most important thing about DAL is that there is a huge variety of flying and with a little seniority you can pick your poison. 1 day turns to14 day international trips.
During the past decade we had all kinds of movement, stagnant, backwards, non-existent etc - you get the picture. Once hiring starts the movement should be fairly rapid. If all goes well (which it usually does not in this industry) new hires will be able to decide fairly quickly if they want to chase QOL or money, and it will have a huge impact on the type of flying you do.
I believe New hires will have a one year seat lock in equipment (but not base) so it may take a year to get what/where you want but I anticipate new hires being able to fly in any base at the 1 year mark. For reference the last time we had any serious movement (2000) new hires were being awarded AE's for the 88 before their rating ride as FE on the 727. I was able to get to LAX in month two as a FE.
lets look at two scenarios for new hire QOL, Good and Crappy (typical).
A (good): New hire gets M88B. Plenty of movement. Can bid any 88 base within 2 months. In a junior base (NYC) he gets a line in 3 months. If he bids to a more senior 88 base he might be on reserve for 10 months or even the whole year.
B (crappy): New hire gets 7ER (doubtful but it has happened before, but remember it is just a hypothetical to show extremes). Typical (stagnant) movement. Can not get out of new hire base. Sits reserve all year. After lock is up, he bids to 88B and gets base of choice. Sits reserve at senior 88 base holds a line in junior 88 base.
All of the above is speculation on what may happen, we will know a little, more when we get the early retiree numbers next month and a lot more when hiring starts.
Good luck to all potential DAL new hires!
Scoop
7000 pilots in ten years. I know myself and I am going to be watching retirements and be bidding most junior seats due to the quick moveup, but not doing so initially. We literally will see entire categories retiring in a given year. Pilots will go from the plug to top 25% within their seat lock time frame. Bidding corrects so that you can move up right when you lock ends will be key. It will also be one way guys will get frozen out of opportunities if not done correctly. (Of course this is on present day size, scope and entity)
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