Beaver Hunter

Don't worry. In typical Hawaiian style. It will be all fubar.
The smart thing to do is have AIS run the TP operation. Why engage in all the fuss over MKK, LNY and JHM.
That operation will never make a dime run by HA. But maybe that's just the point.

HighTailN2Pipes

I don't think HAL cares if they lose money on the ATR deal or not. WP has been dropping the ball with flight cancellations and delays, and it would be a shock if that wasn't causing HAL some hurt. It can't be cheap to put up 30 people up in Manele Bay or the Grand Wailea overnight because their WP codeshare flight is scheduled to be delayed 4 hours or cancelled, and they all miss their connection to first-class seats going home to Japan or New York or wherever. Yeah. Resorts are EXPENSIVE at those places, empty first class Airbus seats don't make money, and you don't get a lot of good international word-of-mouth, goodwill, or travel reviews (re: contracts) by giving high-roller customers crappy service through your underperforming codeshare partner (sorry WP, love you guys but got to call it a duck if it quacks). You want it done right do it yourself, at least that's what the word on the street seems to be around here. I seem to remember that there was a Star-Advertiser news release that said basically the same thing.

Another aspect some people have mentioned is that since newhires at HAL are seat-locked in type for 2 years, if the prop was on the HAL certificate you would see them hire a bunch for it, then hire another class down the road for the Airbus. So you would have a bunch of ATR pilots senior to A330 pilots. Which would be a nightmare for training when everyone's seat-lock expires and they all bid out and displace each other en-masse. Would be a real disaster. With the strong scope language in place, and the reasons they have given for doing this (try Google the Star-Advertiser articles) it may work out pretty well, really.

Rama

I"ve heard a few reasons for the props. One is to serve the customers from the Asian markets with seamless and reliable service. Also with the Maui hub starting the feed for the mainland flights makes sense.

chazbird

I've got ATR time and a ATR type and I'd love a PIC gig in Hawaii (or get on with HAL itself). To get a possible jump on this I called Hawaiian but didn't get very far, they were nice and did acknowledged its existence. They didn't have any real information (for me) nor a working name.

What do you think the odds are that they will use another certificate holder? There are but three carriers in the US that now fly ATR's (excepting Eagle who'll dump theirs soon). I am not sure I could live in Hawaii (or elsewhere) on the wages the other 3 already pay - and they rightfully would hire/promote from within - I am sure many of those pilots would gladly jump from BFE to Hawaii. If they bought and own the airplanes themselves this doesn't necessarily mean they'd have to use their certificate, as two of the other US ATR operators don't own their planes.

Any guesses?

CATIII

technically right now (until June) there is no seat lock to the airbus.. many 717 FO's are going over right after they finish IOE.

IF the ATR paid a decent rate, especially on the PIC front, there would be plenty of pilots bidding it just to be home every night.

Rama

The ATR will be on a separate certificate. They will probably wet lease initially to get it going and then fly on a Hal certificate when its approved.
It will be on a separate seniority list.

Boomer

Comair's separation agreement basically says the pilots go with the certificate.

Beaver Hunter

I departed Island air in 96. Didn't realize they had gone down hill that far.
I have always believed a very well run big TP operation would do very well in Hawaii. It really is the ideal market for TPs.
I agree, I don't like to do business with unreliable operators.

Cheers

HighTailN2Pipes

How can you "wet lease" when you already own the airplanes yourself?

Hawaiian Airlines parent buys aircraft for future service to Lanai, Molokai - Pacific Business News

Try doing an aircraft registration search of "N801HC". Recognize that owner's street address? If the plan is to start later next year, like the articles say, they have PLENTY of time to hire people, etc.

mauidanielle

But I doubt it will be comparable pay yeah? Probably similar to what Island Air is paying their pilots?