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Old 06-19-2012, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
There actually has been sample polling- and there is some concern among the higher ups, I know that for sure.
You can't imagine how proud I would be of this pilot group if a majority of us were able to stop our busy lives long enough to wade through the yards of MEC BS, and vote this down. God I would be thrilled.

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Nope. Just looking at the different polls. Haven't seen one yet that has it passing.

Of course they are unscientific, but arguably a decent cross sample.

Did go over the TA on a long leg a couple of days ago and showed a guy who was in favor of it where his information he processed was suspect.

After another day of q and a and referencing the TA he became an against voter.
It's called a vocal minority. Look it up.
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You can't imagine how proud I would be of this pilot group if a majority of us were able to stop our busy lives long enough to wade through the yards of MEC BS, and vote this down. God I would be thrilled.

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Looks like instead you might consider the early out.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Looks like instead you might consider the early out.
Can't do that Bill. Who's going to teach you how to be a captain?

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Old 06-19-2012, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Sounds a lot like what most of you guys think our "leverage" is. Oh wait, you really only have a hunch. Funny stuff.
Pay attention Bill.

The leverage is simple.

It's Narita and the very real potential for the errosion of the 5th freedom rights.

Guaranteed that left seat you want sooooooo bad will be shoved much farther off in to the future if that happens.

Think not?

Look in the TA and show us where there is any protection in there for that.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
It's called a vocal minority. Look it up.
Keep saying that to yourself before you go to bed at night. It might come true. At least it will make you feel better.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Pay attention Bill.

The leverage is simple.

It's Narita and the very real potential for the errosion of the 5th freedom rights.

Guaranteed that left seat you want sooooooo bad will be shoved much farther off in to the future if that happens.

Think not?

Look in the TA and show us where there is any protection in there for that.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Pay attention Bill.

The leverage is simple.

It's Narita and the very real potential for the errosion of the 5th freedom rights.

Guaranteed that left seat you want sooooooo bad will be shoved much farther off in to the future if that happens.

Think not?

Look in the TA and show us where there is any protection in there for that.
If Japan wants to open more of Haneda to JAL and ANA, there's not much our contract can do about that. We either play along, or we don't and get almost locked out. We still could have a connection hub in NRT, but Japan has the ability to do whatever they want. Waiting 2 more years to negotiate will not help.
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Keep saying that to yourself before you go to bed at night. It might come true. At least it will make you feel better.
The TA passing will eventually make you feel better.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Can't do that Bill. Who's going to teach you how to be a captain?

Carl
You're going to be a 717 LCA? Great! Let's do a 5 day trip with 20 legs. You will keel over on day 3.
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