johnso29

Section 1. It's actually new SNB fleet(it's been announced they'll be B717's)

Exception one: If the Company establishes a fleet of new small narrowbody aircraft, the number of permitted 76-seat aircraft may increase on a one 76-seat aircraft for each one and one quarter new small narrowbody aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer) up to a total of 223 76-seat aircraft.

SNB fleet will be defined as B717's or A319's. If management wants to have all 70 additional 76 seaters they must first have 88(based on the RJ:SNB 1:125 ratio) SNB aircraft delivered.

DLpilot

There is nothing in the TA requiring them to purchase that many. Keywords "if" and "up to".

alfaromeo

Wow, you got me there. They came to us with this plan, they committed multiple Executive Vice Presidents to negotiate in an accelerated time frame, they gave us 20% pay rate increase, all in the end to say "woops, don't want those aircraft anyway." Does that make any sense to you?

If that is the plan, then we get the money and the improvements to scope, they don't get the new RJ's and we should all be happy then.

DLpilot

You said they were mandated. I did not say that management would back out. They are not mandated to purchase them though. They may only lease half of them. You never know in the end but there is nothing in the TA requiring them to bring in all 88.

Jack Bauer

You can give all the anecdotal evidence you want (ie VP's meeting and whatnot). If it is a done deal then it shouldn't be too much trouble to line out a couple words and guarantee your understanding of what will happen right? I think that is one thing a lot of no voters are saying.

Clean up and tweak a lot of these little open ended wording blips and it instills more confidence. Why the union or Delta wont do that starts to tell a story especially when one reviews the history of side letters and "good intentions" that never came to fruition!

Carl Spackler

It doesn't and alfaromeo knows it. The TA does not mandate the purchase, lease or acquisition of even one 717 much less 88 of them. Alfa is an unelected MEC bureaucrat that continually lies to us even though it's easily proven that he's lying. He just doesn't care. He's so convinced his job as an MEC admin is secure, he is simply not concerned about lying.

Carl

alfaromeo

First, with the sale/lease thing, I don't know what the answer is but from a pilot's perspective it doesn't matter much to me. Boeing would never give Delta a short term lease so either way if they come they will be here awhile.

They only get to the 76 seaters through the 717's. I don't think we should mandate they get all 76 seaters. If you accept the premise that they started this whole deal so they could reconfigure their fleet then the 76 seaters are the linchpin. No 717's, no 76 seaters. No 76 seaters no incentives to get others parties to dump 50 seaters. So if you want to assume they will change their mind from the whole purpose of this agreement then yes it's not mandated. As I said before, in that case there is no concession in scope and it makes the deal that much stronger.

When someone commits this much money to get us to accept the 76 seaters, you would assume they would go ahead and get them. Either way, if the TA passes, we get the money.

80ktsClamp

No concession in scope = 70 more large airplanes that will be around for 20 years replacing smaller less viable aircraft that will be gone on their own very soon?

Jack Bauer

If this TA passes it will go down in history as another large negative milestones taking the career and industry down. A huge missed opportunity. Instead, our own dam union is selling outsourcing 2.0 as a victory. How bout in ten years when the reality of this TA finaly sinks in we go get the guys who pushed this thing out of their easy chair and put their nose in it.

They probably wont care. They got a few more dollars before they retired and could care less what those left holding the bag have to deal with. Up to 99 hours on reserve. You have got to be freaking kidding me. Dont bother telling me it cant happen in any given month regardless of "protective ratios".

slowplay

So now the DPA shill is down to class warfare....got any more inaccuracies you wish to spread?