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Old 06-06-2012, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You make Delta pilots look bad when you speak like that to our brother pilots. UAL pilots are trying to fight a good fight. Let's stop the unwarranted holier than thou BS...shall we.

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My apologies fellow DAL pilots, for I allowed him to drag me down to that level with: "Dumbest post I've ever seen.

I hope to GOD you're a management mole, because if you're not.....Jesus"

You both are correct. Doesn't normally happen and it won't happen again! Thanks Carl.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Trash Hauler
We had the usual ALPA professional Negotiators" advice"...all 3 of them.
They did not do the negotiating. Their stellar advice has us still working at bankruptcy pay rates.
They are also the negotiators for all of the DCI flying ALPA now represents. Can you say conflict of interest?
We need our own DALPA negotiators AT THE TABLE.
Under this TA we add 70 new 76 seat AC . These are 2 class planes with 4 hour legs.Think they won't be doing mainline flying?
With the increase in the ALV/TLV a lot if not all of the promised717 flying could be absorbed by the existing pilot group.
Reduction of profit sharing to get part of this insufficient pay raise. As this industry is poised to make a lot of money is just beyond unacceptable.

We are setting a precedent of compensation packages based on bankruptcy pay rates. This effects all of the major airlines not just us.

To quote Maichael Campbell Delta EXEC VP
"The fleet changes provided by this agreement, coupled with the productivity and profit sharing changes,cover the investments in our employees."

Translation ..they gave us everything we wanted! oh and they took what we offered.

Even though we never saw the Survey results it is easy to gather from reading the explanations of yes and no votes from the individuals LECs the the number one request was increase in compensation.

Their job is to get what the majority wants... they failed.

For the sake of everyone I hope their will be a place to invest that 15% that the "younger" pilots get and I hope they have 25 or 30 years to do it.

I have read the Reason for yes AND no votes by all members who wrote them. I found reasons for voting no even in the summary of those who voted yes.

You have to run the numbers. Many did. Some filled it with scare tactics.
The company needs this and THEY are under a time constraint. The pilot group is not. This TA was set up so that if you scan it it might look good. You really have to read it..line by boring line.

I don't care how many RJ pilots there are. We cannot give 70 more planes capable of mainline flying.That is our flying. No sale!

Vote NO!
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I have flown the 700/900 for ten years and have not flown a 4 hour leg... Atl to lax?
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigshooter107
I have flown the 700/900 for ten years and have not flown a 4 hour leg... Atl to lax?
Pinnacle flew ATL-STT for a while on it, IIRC.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72
They had a major decision to make on DCI and they were/are on a timeline. They have a preferred plan A (TA with 717's) and an alternate plan B. Both are economically sound. Only one of the plans includes us.
Spoken like a true MEC robot.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Pinnacle flew ATL-STT for a while on it, IIRC.
Asa used to fly Atl- stx...still not 4 hours. Doing exactly what big RJs should do open markets to be replaced by mainline airplanes and fly to destinations where u can't fill a mad dawg or 737..
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
When management wanted the LGA/DCA slot swap, they forgot to mention that 93% of the initial flights would be RJ's. Don't feel bad or lied to, it's just business in the negotiations game.
Carl
Just keeping it real, but the second phase of the LGA expansion is all mainline.



Delta Continues New York Growth with Expanded Caribbean, Bermuda, Florida Service

Airline adds new and expanded flights to 10 popular destinations from LaGuardia, JFK

May 21, 2012
NEW YORK, May 21, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today announced new and expanded service to 10 popular destinations in the Caribbean, Bermuda and Florida from LaGuardia Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport, continuing its historic expansion in New York.
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The new flights, which will begin in late 2012 and early 2013, are in addition to Delta's previously announced expansion at New York-LaGuardia, where the airline is adding more than 100 new flights to 26 new destinations this summer. When its full schedule is implemented, Delta will operate more than 260 daily flights between LaGuardia and more than 60 cities, exceeding any other carrier.
Delta also is optimizing its schedule at JFK to facilitate convenient connections to international flights. JFK is a major global gateway for Delta, which operates nonstop flights to more than 45 international destinations from the airport.
"We're excited to be announcing new and expanded service to these popular leisure destinations at the same time we're building our new domestic hub at LaGuardia Airport," said Gail Grimmett, Delta's senior vice president – New York. "It's another step toward achieving our goal of becoming the preferred airline in New York."
In conjunction with its expansion at LaGuardia, Delta is investing $160 million to modernize two terminals at the airport and construct a new walkway connecting the facilities. At JFK, Delta is currently under way on a $1.2 billion program to enhance and expand Terminal 4, adding nine new gates and creating a state-of-the-art gateway for New York's fastest growing global airline. That facility will open in spring 2013.
New and expanded service to the Caribbean and Bermuda includes:
  • New daily year-round service between LaGuardia and Bermuda.
  • New Saturday flights between JFK and St. Maarten.*
  • LaGuardia-Nassau flights will be expanded from seasonal to year-round service.
  • JFK-Montego Bay, Jamaica, flights will grow from Saturday seasonal to daily service.
  • JFK-Aruba service will increase from Saturday seasonal flights to daily year-round service.
  • JFK-Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, flights will expand from Saturday seasonal to daily year-round service.

New and expanded service to Florida includes:
  • Two new flights between LaGuardia and Sarasota, Fla.
  • A new flight between JFK and Fort Myers, Fla.
  • A fourth daily flight between LaGuardia and Fort Myers.
  • A fifth daily flight between LaGuardia and Miami.
  • A fifth daily flight between LaGuardia and Tampa.
  • A second daily flight between JFK and Tampa.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Hope... Change.... great plan.
Fear....cower....submit...even better.
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigshooter107
Asa used to fly Atl- stx...still not 4 hours. Doing exactly what big RJs should do open markets to be replaced by mainline airplanes and fly to destinations where u can't fill a mad dawg or 737..
I think you will find that atl-stx was a 7:59 rt and averaged over 8 hrs. It was also a mainline route before RJs were used to "open it up.".
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Pinnacle flew ATL-STT for a while on it, IIRC.
WRONG, ATL-STT has always been on the 75. Maybe STX?
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigshooter107
I have flown the 700/900 for ten years and have not flown a 4 hour leg... Atl to lax?
On the E175 I've done MSP-YVR and DTW-MTY, both of those are 3:40 ish, not quite 4 but I think thats not exactly his point.
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