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06-06-2012, 05:46 AM
#101
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Clamp's poker analogy is spot on. If you've ever played a hand for really big money, you know exactly the pressure he's talking about. It will either force you to crack under it, or take educated risks. It appears to me that far too many Delta pilots are cracking under the negligible pressure of a bird in the hand before Section 6 even begins.
Carl
06-06-2012, 06:06 AM
#102
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They've SHOWN you nothing. They've only TOLD you and our "union" what they want us to know. Showing us their hand would involve a complete opening of the books and the recordings of the strategic planning meetings at the board of director level. I know you know that hasn't happened, therefore we've been shown nothing.
Clamp's poker analogy is spot on. If you've ever played a hand for really big money, you know exactly the pressure he's talking about. It will either force you to crack under it, or take educated risks. It appears to me that far too many Delta pilots are cracking under the negligible pressure of a bird in the hand before Section 6 even begins.
Carl
Clamp's poker analogy is spot on. If you've ever played a hand for really big money, you know exactly the pressure he's talking about. It will either force you to crack under it, or take educated risks. It appears to me that far too many Delta pilots are cracking under the negligible pressure of a bird in the hand before Section 6 even begins.
Carl
06-06-2012, 06:11 AM
#103
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Not really my intent. I said a long time ago that the timing on this contract wrt Delta's financial health was bad. If one views this as an extension, the timing is better. Again, I choose a half full glass, and you are of course free to do otherwise, but in my mind this is a pretty good extension that will synch up our timing with DAL's.
06-06-2012, 06:14 AM
#104
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06-06-2012, 06:16 AM
#105
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Can you ever end a post without being vulgar?
06-06-2012, 06:23 AM
#106
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This quote was directly from the NC and MEC:
"This tentative agreement allows Delta to pursue its preferred business plan but at the same time was the impetus for reaching an early agreement that provides significant benefits for the Delta pilots. If the cost of doing so exceeds the parameters of their overall plan, they have indicated that they will choose another course. Put another way, they have a Plan B that does not involve negotiating with ALPA."
Does that sound like DAL is going to raise the TA pay and then send it back?...before you answer, read the last line again.
If you try to right it off as scare tactics by DALPA or DAL, then that is my definition of ridiculous insanity.
"This tentative agreement allows Delta to pursue its preferred business plan but at the same time was the impetus for reaching an early agreement that provides significant benefits for the Delta pilots. If the cost of doing so exceeds the parameters of their overall plan, they have indicated that they will choose another course. Put another way, they have a Plan B that does not involve negotiating with ALPA."
Does that sound like DAL is going to raise the TA pay and then send it back?...before you answer, read the last line again.
If you try to right it off as scare tactics by DALPA or DAL, then that is my definition of ridiculous insanity.
Scare tactics cost management nothing! Campbell was hired for this express purpose. How can you not see this?
Carl
06-06-2012, 06:28 AM
#107
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The early out program is designed to offset the staffing decrease of 250 due to the ALV+15.
06-06-2012, 06:30 AM
#108
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Not really my intent. I said a long time ago that the timing on this contract wrt Delta's financial health was bad. If one views this as an extension, the timing is better. Again, I choose a half full glass, and you are of course free to do otherwise, but in my mind this is a pretty good extension that will synch up our timing with DAL's.
Carl
06-06-2012, 06:36 AM
#109
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Besides, the company wants this TA through quickly because it is a great deal for them. Why would they show their cards and say "you know, you guys could have done way better. Why don't you come back to the table?"
Oh, and the union has acknowledged the 300 pilot decrease numerous times, and has also stated that the TA will only result in around 200 additional pilot positions despite taking delivery of 88 airplanes.
Whoops.
