DAL TA Point Paper
05-23-2012, 06:31 PM
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No mention of a doctors note required for calling in sick in the point paper. How many other concessions were left out?
05-23-2012, 06:38 PM
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That's because it's not required. Its in the medical section as an option, just like it is now. The TA even allows for reimbursement now that wasn't clear from before. After you brought the point up, I looked at my copy of the TA so hopefully I didn't misread it.
05-23-2012, 06:48 PM
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Added to the TA:
Sec 14 F3
Verification of sickness under 14 F 2 is REQUIREDwhen:
1. A pilot has used more than 100 hours of sick leave in a year or,
A pilot has been absent on sick leave more than 15 days.
Further: if any "individual circumstances" give the company a "good faith" basis to question sick leave, the chief pilot can REQUIRE the pilot to provide proof. It goes on, but you are wrong about this onerous provision in the TA. This gives DL to persecute ANYONE for using ANY sick time and REQUIRES you to provide a note if you bang out more than 100 hrs. in a year (your 3rd or 4th occourance most likely) or 15 days in one occurrence.
AND if that's not enough, you MAY be REQUIREDto furnish a letter to flight ops REALEASING TO THEM YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS.
TOTALLY UNSAT
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05-23-2012, 07:20 PM
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Yes, it is.
Added to the TA:
Sec 14 F3
Verification of sickness under 14 F 2 is REQUIREDwhen:
1. A pilot has used more than 100 hours of sick leave in a year or,
A pilot has been absent on sick leave more than 15 days.
Further: if any "individual circumstances" give the company a "good faith" basis to question sick leave, the chief pilot can REQUIRE the pilot to provide proof. It goes on, but you are wrong about this onerous provision in the TA. This gives DL to persecute ANYONE for using ANY sick time and REQUIRES you to provide a note if you bang out more than 100 hrs. in a year (your 3rd or 4th occourance most likely) or 15 days in one occurrence.
AND if that's not enough, you MAY be REQUIREDto furnish a letter to flight ops REALEASING TO THEM YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS.
TOTALLY UNSAT
Added to the TA:
Sec 14 F3
Verification of sickness under 14 F 2 is REQUIREDwhen:
1. A pilot has used more than 100 hours of sick leave in a year or,
A pilot has been absent on sick leave more than 15 days.
Further: if any "individual circumstances" give the company a "good faith" basis to question sick leave, the chief pilot can REQUIRE the pilot to provide proof. It goes on, but you are wrong about this onerous provision in the TA. This gives DL to persecute ANYONE for using ANY sick time and REQUIRES you to provide a note if you bang out more than 100 hrs. in a year (your 3rd or 4th occourance most likely) or 15 days in one occurrence.
AND if that's not enough, you MAY be REQUIREDto furnish a letter to flight ops REALEASING TO THEM YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS.
TOTALLY UNSAT
I'll be honest, I saw that but didn't think that 100 hours or the 15 days was "onerous". Come on, if you're out 15 days in a row (currently it's 7) you've already seen a Dr and even with the current harassment program, which I've been called under, they only asked basic questions.
Like everything else there are options for the company to inflict pain on us and there are a lot of areas with this thing I have problems with.
05-23-2012, 07:25 PM
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On this item it is my understanding from my reps that one is not required nor can they ask until you use 100 hrs of sick time. It was that way when the first mid-negotiation NNP came out.
05-23-2012, 07:27 PM
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OK,
I'll be honest, I saw that but didn't think that 100 hours or the 15 days was "onerous". Come on, if you're out 15 days in a row (currently it's 7) you've already seen a Dr and even with the current harassment program, which I've been called under, they only asked basic questions.
Like everything else there are options for the company to inflict pain on us and there are a lot of areas with this thing I have problems with.
I'll be honest, I saw that but didn't think that 100 hours or the 15 days was "onerous". Come on, if you're out 15 days in a row (currently it's 7) you've already seen a Dr and even with the current harassment program, which I've been called under, they only asked basic questions.
Like everything else there are options for the company to inflict pain on us and there are a lot of areas with this thing I have problems with.
Uhh, no. If you call in sick for an 8 day Asia trip, you are only one or two more occourances from being REQUIRED to provide a doctors note, and if the company wants it, you've got to let them look at your medical records. This is FAR WORSE than the current program. Or, if the company just thinks it's "good faith" to ask about your sick leave, whatever they want that to mean.
05-23-2012, 07:29 PM
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Well it ain't that way in the language. Read it. It is now "verified" and "unverified" sick time, just like the FA's have. Plus the requirement to let the company peek at your personal medical records, you know, just to make sure nothing hinkey is going on with you...
05-23-2012, 07:40 PM
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Thanks for the point paper. The person that wrote this is either in the wrong business or obviously a person associated with the NC or The MEC. The analysis and numbers that this person came up with in a two-day time span is extraordinary or he already had the numbers and analysis ready for release. Still need to come to grips with the scope portion of this. There is a lot to be said for the time value of money.
05-23-2012, 07:41 PM
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Our current PWA allows medical record release at management discretion. It allows verification after 7 days. The TA language significantly reduces management rights. Compare the TA language to our current 14.F and G.
Verification (Doctors note) can only be requested as Dragon describes and only after 100 hours of unverified illness. Management can no longer call you outside the parameters of the PWA. If they call you to provide a verification, they must pay for it, so there is a financial disincentive to them.
This new sick leave program, with the the elimination of 75% pay, the ability to protect your sick bank by calling in well and flying, the increase in annual hours over 20 years, and the end of the harrassment program is a big step forward.
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