DAL TA Point Paper
05-23-2012, 10:42 AM
#21
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Nicely done paper.
I'm trying to be logical, but I too know (via people that have seen the survey) that this thing came in below the survey results.
I'm trying to be logical, but I too know (via people that have seen the survey) that this thing came in below the survey results.
05-23-2012, 11:29 AM
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His point paper is excellent. The argument is well thought out and fully supported by verifiable facts. This contract when fully executed will have DAL pay rates at the top of the industry, and there will be a massive shift in pilot jobs back to mainline. That was always the goal. These conclusions are not opinions and are well supported by the actual numbers in the TA as clearly detailed in this point paper.
What are the bad things?
Analogy: I tell my realtor I want 200k to sell my house. She knows the market can only support 175k and she gets an offer for that amount. She knows that will put a large chunk of change in my pocket. Does she reject the offer without advising me. She better not!
This is no different. What if the survey results were unattainable? Their job is to get us the best deal possible. No union (accept the New Jersey, and California teachers) will ever get everything their membership wants.
This is no different. What if the survey results were unattainable? Their job is to get us the best deal possible. No union (accept the New Jersey, and California teachers) will ever get everything their membership wants.
If you're not in a hurry and you owe $220K and were willing to sell for $200K and pay out $33K out of your own pocket... $175 doesn't look that good.
05-23-2012, 12:34 PM
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Analogy: I tell my realtor I want 200k to sell my house. She knows the market can only support 175k and she gets an offer for that amount. She knows that will put a large chunk of change in my pocket. Does she reject the offer without advising me. She better not!
This is no different. What if the survey results were unattainable? Their job is to get us the best deal possible. No union (accept the New Jersey, and California teachers) will ever get everything their membership wants.
This is no different. What if the survey results were unattainable? Their job is to get us the best deal possible. No union (accept the New Jersey, and California teachers) will ever get everything their membership wants.
Not so good.
05-23-2012, 12:45 PM
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I would just fire my realtor and get one that is more honest with me and the numbers....I do not need someone managing my expections and doing what they think is "best" for me....already have a government doing that...thank you...
05-23-2012, 01:04 PM
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when things are written with detail on only one side then it's propaganda and you are being "sold" If they write it for you to decide and don't lead you down a primrose path on their thinking...but show caveats...then it's a valid analysis...maybe.
05-23-2012, 01:28 PM
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Does this mean that we don't have to put up with Captain Ron? Good reason to hang out here instead of DALPA.
05-23-2012, 01:31 PM
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Would you lower the selling price of your house that much after only a few weeks on the market?
05-23-2012, 01:37 PM
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It is funny how many of the YES guys were only a few weeks ago saying their minimum was SWA pay on day one. Most guys that i flew with had their minimum as 25 to 30 percent. So basically a 50 percent drop in asking price in 6 weeks.
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05-23-2012, 01:41 PM
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I used to hear about a guy named Bernie Madoff, enough said.
And how he could do no wrong. Self appointed GENIUS!
TEN
And how he could do no wrong. Self appointed GENIUS!TEN
05-23-2012, 01:44 PM
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A few month ago I personally talked to the pilot who wrote this paper and he said he has made enough money in the markets to retire at ANY time. Good for him but, it shows his time value of money!
He is looking to leave here in the near future so if this TA doesn't pass or is delayed by 6-12 months that is lost money to HIM.
Everyone has an agenda, I am here for 20+ yrs so the scope, trade profit sharing for pay increase etc. is what's important to me.
I mailed my CARD in yesterday and I don't take that lightly at all.
Next on to do list- vote NO!
He is looking to leave here in the near future so if this TA doesn't pass or is delayed by 6-12 months that is lost money to HIM.
Everyone has an agenda, I am here for 20+ yrs so the scope, trade profit sharing for pay increase etc. is what's important to me.
I mailed my CARD in yesterday and I don't take that lightly at all.
Next on to do list- vote NO!
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