What if we got the 717s with TODAY's SCOPE?
05-23-2012, 08:42 AM
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"Delta said the deal accelerates the revamping of its fleet, which has also included the elimination of turboprops. Because the 717s are replacing other planes, Delta said its overall flying level won't change."
Yup, growth, just like our union told us. Oooops they didn't get their talking points in line with management today. Get the red phone.
Cue the "717's are replacing 50 seaters crowd". Lol
Yup, growth, just like our union told us. Oooops they didn't get their talking points in line with management today. Get the red phone.
Cue the "717's are replacing 50 seaters crowd". Lol
05-23-2012, 08:43 AM
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Delta isn't Berkshire Hathaway. You can't ask for all of the scope back, plus a 40% raise. It would equal $4 billion in giveaways by the company. It just won't happen. And when it comes to flying 76 seaters by yourself, that would be great, but would it just be the pilots, or the whole operation done by mainline? Find out the true cost of that, and then see if there is anything left to try to improve the rest of the contract, which needs many improvements also. On a seperate note, why don't we do a manned exploration of Mars today? It won't be that expensive.
05-23-2012, 08:45 AM
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You need to look at one of the first few sentences that includes "but not limited to," regarding FM. Everyone always cries about loopholes after the fact, well this one is screaming at us. BTW, they can claim FM and do what they want...then we wait for the arbitration if we don't agree with their logic. I assure you, this association will agree with their logic. Been to the rodeo and got the t-shirt. Watching DCI hire, while you are shown the door might just open your eyes to the possibility. History has already proven me correct.
I assume you are talking about the FM 1 and FM 2 furloughs. If I remember correctly, the FM2 furloughs were in fact contested (ALPA did NOT agree with the companys logic) by ALPA and won.
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05-23-2012, 08:45 AM
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Get a clue.
05-23-2012, 08:46 AM
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"Delta said the deal accelerates the revamping of its fleet, which has also included the elimination of turboprops. Because the 717s are replacing other planes, Delta said its overall flying level won't change."
Yup, growth, just like our union told us. Oooops they didn't get their talking points in line with management today. Get the red phone.
Cue the "717's are replacing 50 seaters crowd". Lol
Yup, growth, just like our union told us. Oooops they didn't get their talking points in line with management today. Get the red phone.
Cue the "717's are replacing 50 seaters crowd". Lol
05-23-2012, 08:47 AM
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"Delta said the deal accelerates the revamping of its fleet, which has also included the elimination of turboprops. Because the 717s are replacing other planes, Delta said its overall flying level won't change."
Yup, growth, just like our union told us. Oooops they didn't get their talking points in line with management today. Get the red phone.
Cue the "717's are replacing 50 seaters crowd". Lol
Yup, growth, just like our union told us. Oooops they didn't get their talking points in line with management today. Get the red phone.
Cue the "717's are replacing 50 seaters crowd". Lol
OK.. what is really happening then..? and not just in Jack's world.
Oh, and those 717s are YOUR captain seat. not mine. I couldn't care less about them.
05-23-2012, 08:55 AM
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The large turboprop issue is a red herring.
Guess what? DHC-8-400s have been around for 15 years now, and the venerable ATR-72 has been around for even longer than that. There was also the BAe ATP. All of them seat 65+.
Gas has been high now for 4 years. You don't think that if they were some sort of panacea, the RJs wouldn't have been replaced by now?
You can write DeltaConnection on the side of an RJ and fool some of the people into thinking its a Delta jet, but you CAN'T fool people when you're swinging a pair of 15 foot props.
Its all about the illusion of seamless service, and nothing spoils that illusion like a prop slinging ice into the fuselage.
Nu
Guess what? DHC-8-400s have been around for 15 years now, and the venerable ATR-72 has been around for even longer than that. There was also the BAe ATP. All of them seat 65+.
Gas has been high now for 4 years. You don't think that if they were some sort of panacea, the RJs wouldn't have been replaced by now?
You can write DeltaConnection on the side of an RJ and fool some of the people into thinking its a Delta jet, but you CAN'T fool people when you're swinging a pair of 15 foot props.
Its all about the illusion of seamless service, and nothing spoils that illusion like a prop slinging ice into the fuselage.
Nu
05-23-2012, 08:58 AM
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The large turboprop issue is a red herring.
Guess what? DHC-8-400s have been around for 15 years now, and the venerable ATR-72 has been around for even longer than that. There was also the BAe ATP. All of them seat 65+.
Gas has been high now for 4 years. You don't think that if they were some sort of panacea, the RJs wouldn't have been replaced by now?
You can write DeltaConnection on the side of an RJ and fool some of the people into thinking its a Delta jet, but you CAN'T fool people when you're swinging a pair of 15 foot props.
Its all about the illusion of seamless service, and nothing spoils that illusion like a prop slinging ice into the fuselage.
Nu
Guess what? DHC-8-400s have been around for 15 years now, and the venerable ATR-72 has been around for even longer than that. There was also the BAe ATP. All of them seat 65+.
Gas has been high now for 4 years. You don't think that if they were some sort of panacea, the RJs wouldn't have been replaced by now?
You can write DeltaConnection on the side of an RJ and fool some of the people into thinking its a Delta jet, but you CAN'T fool people when you're swinging a pair of 15 foot props.
Its all about the illusion of seamless service, and nothing spoils that illusion like a prop slinging ice into the fuselage.
Nu
05-23-2012, 08:59 AM
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Why y'all fussin' about this "circumstances beyond" phrase is puzzlin' me......guess what! We have it in our current contract!! If this is what you are going to use to combat the TA, it's a non argument because we currently have the same language!!! Using your logic, why hasn't the company already declared there are circumstances beyond their control and turned the 102 70 seaters into 76 seaters? Use an argument that makes sense.
I assume you are talking about the FM 1 and FM 2 furloughs. If I remember correctly, the FM2 furloughs were in fact contested (ALPA did NOT agree with the companys logic) by ALPA and won.
Denny
I assume you are talking about the FM 1 and FM 2 furloughs. If I remember correctly, the FM2 furloughs were in fact contested (ALPA did NOT agree with the companys logic) by ALPA and won.
Denny
05-23-2012, 08:59 AM
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The large turboprop issue is a red herring.
Guess what? DHC-8-400s have been around for 15 years now, and the venerable ATR-72 has been around for even longer than that. There was also the BAe ATP. All of them seat 65+.
Gas has been high now for 4 years. You don't think that if they were some sort of panacea, the RJs wouldn't have been replaced by now?
You can write DeltaConnection on the side of an RJ and fool some of the people into thinking its a Delta jet, but you CAN'T fool people when you're swinging a pair of 15 foot props.
Its all about the illusion of seamless service, and nothing spoils that illusion like a prop slinging ice into the fuselage.
Nu
Guess what? DHC-8-400s have been around for 15 years now, and the venerable ATR-72 has been around for even longer than that. There was also the BAe ATP. All of them seat 65+.
Gas has been high now for 4 years. You don't think that if they were some sort of panacea, the RJs wouldn't have been replaced by now?
You can write DeltaConnection on the side of an RJ and fool some of the people into thinking its a Delta jet, but you CAN'T fool people when you're swinging a pair of 15 foot props.
Its all about the illusion of seamless service, and nothing spoils that illusion like a prop slinging ice into the fuselage.
Nu
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