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Old 05-23-2012, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72
We still need the feed in the small markets, they are going to be around a lot longer than you or I. RA even gave examples of several markets in DTW and MSP. Yes we are getting rid of 50 seaters but not all of them.
Even if only 75% are parked, this TA leaves us outsourcing more Delta Air Lilnes' seats than our current contract.

And with regard to feed, I have a great idea....have Delta seniority list pilots provide that feed!

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Old 05-23-2012, 09:21 PM
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We should all know that there is a niche for 50 seaters. I just doesn't make sense to park them all... they have their place. Just, 400 of them don't have their place.

I'm not advocating us bailing out the company on absolutely stupid buying practices in the early 2000's, but that's where we're at, and we helped them get there.
They over bought for sure. That whole frequency vs size post 9/11 mantra kind of bites when you have all of these jets and they're too small and use up too many gates and space.

I wonder how long till the CRJ700 and E170 is deemed so uneconomical that we need to give some relief on that purchase too and replace 100 aircraft with 100 more 76 seaters?...... but how about we also keep those CRJ700s for the small routes the CRJ200s fed, that way we don't lose the feed.
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:25 PM
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They over bought for sure. That whole frequency vs size post 9/11 mantra kind of bites when you have all of these jets and they're too small and use up too many gates and space.

I wonder how long till the CRJ700 and E170 is deemed so uneconomical that we need to give some relief on that purchase too and replace 100 aircraft with 100 more 76 seaters?...... but how about we also keep those CRJ700s for the small routes the CRJ200s fed, that way we don't lose the feed.
That's for C2015 which we open 8 months early and the company low balls us again.
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Old 05-23-2012, 11:56 PM
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Want I would rather see if I couldn't eliminate DCI all together:


See that gap in the middle? It's got mainline operated 76 seaters, 717s, 88s, 319s, 320s, etc written all over it.
I thought SEA wasn't a hub?
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I want Section 1 decreased from allowing 85% of category A and C to fly 900sm to 450sm. Actually, 300sm would be better.

I say put the regional back into the term regional airline.

Current allowance for 85% of DCI flights:



Want I would rather see if I couldn't eliminate DCI all together:


See that gap in the middle? It's got mainline operated 76 seaters, 717s, 88s, 319s, 320s, etc written all over it.
Quick question,

What is the difference between Categories A and C? I think it's DCI not owned by Sky West and those that are but not really sure.
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I want Section 1 decreased from allowing 85% of category A and C to fly 900sm to 450sm. Actually, 300sm would be better.

I say put the regional back into the term regional airline.

Current allowance for 85% of DCI flights:



Want I would rather see if I couldn't eliminate DCI all together:


See that gap in the middle? It's got mainline operated 76 seaters, 717s, 88s, 319s, 320s, etc written all over it.
Where is MSP and MEM in this map?

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Old 05-24-2012, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MD88Driver
Where is MSP and MEM in this map?
@#)%(*@#%)#(^*#%.

SORRY!

HA HA. I thought that hole was gaping wide.

And I guess we should keep MEM if it is really only an RJ base. I was just using mainline bases.
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:02 AM
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Since Delta seems to have money to buy another 70 big RJ’s, can they go for 70 Q-400s? I mean with our current contract, they can trade in CRJs for unlimited Q-400s. Sure they don’t want turbo props, and they don’t want another type. But, as a plan B, they can use Q400s just like CRJ900s on shorter routes. I’m just thinking what the management can do if we voted this TA down. I’m not trying to justify 70 more large RJ giveaway, but I hate Q400s just as much as CR9s or E175s.
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@#)%(*@#%)#(^*#%.

SORRY!

HA HA. I thought that hole was gaping wide.

And I guess we should keep MEM if it is really only an RJ base. I was just using mainline bases.
Plus SEA isn't a hub, amirite?
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by flyBanana
Since Delta seems to have money to buy another 70 big RJ’s, can they go for 70 Q-400s? I mean with our current contract, they can trade in CRJs for unlimited Q-400s. Sure they don’t want turbo props, and they don’t want another type. But, as a plan B, they can use Q400s just like CRJ900s on shorter routes. I’m just thinking what the management can do if we voted this TA down. I’m not trying to justify 70 more large RJ giveaway, but I hate Q400s just as much as CR9s or E175s.
I agree we also need limits on large turboprops. Here is my question for those that are ok with adding more large RJs. How do you ever propose to get rid of them? It is much easier to keep them from getting more than to take them away done the road. Once they get on property, we will have to give up something to get rid of them. If we keep the limits , then we save future negiotiating capital. Let the regionals shrink on their own. We are only hurting ourselves down the road if we pass this TA.
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