The DAL rep no votes!!!!
05-22-2012, 05:02 AM
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Uh...every one of these reps will be in the lounges talking to their pilot groups for the next several weeks--no hiding.
I love your statement "not doubting anyone..." then immediately following it with an insult.
I'm inclined to vote against this TA, but I won't demonize those who won't think the way I tell them they should think.
I love your statement "not doubting anyone..." then immediately following it with an insult.
I'm inclined to vote against this TA, but I won't demonize those who won't think the way I tell them they should think.
Well said. Its easy to disregard any post where the poster has to resort to personal attacks. Its all to common on the this and the Dalpa forum. I once had a interesting conversation with a Eastern Pilot. He said beware the radicals and those always demonizing everyone else. I asked why and he said those that talked the biggest game were the first to crack when the realization set in that the airline might actually fail. They went from don't give a nickel to do demanding the union do anything to save my job. They were far and away the biggest group to cross the picket line. Whenever anyone has to resort to name calling and personal attacks to make a point you have a instant read on their character.
05-22-2012, 05:10 AM
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Uh...every one of these reps will be in the lounges talking to their pilot groups for the next several weeks--no hiding.
I love your statement "not doubting anyone..." then immediately following it with an insult.
I'm inclined to vote against this TA, but I won't demonize those who won't think the way I tell them they should think.
I love your statement "not doubting anyone..." then immediately following it with an insult.
I'm inclined to vote against this TA, but I won't demonize those who won't think the way I tell them they should think.
I just can't help feeling insulted with this TA.
I probably shouldn't but I do.
Granted tensions are running high and name calling won't help it.
05-22-2012, 05:17 AM
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I was not trying to say that some reps are more noble than others, the real point here is that we spoke through the survey but the MEC ignored our wishes.
That is absolutely a violation of their duty to represent us.
That is absolutely a violation of their duty to represent us.
05-22-2012, 05:26 AM
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Is it possible that some of the YES votes did so, so that A) the pilot group could see the offer from MGT and b) let the entire pilot group vote it up or down
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05-22-2012, 05:37 AM
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The 81 reps have already endorsed it. Without acknowledging the portions that are less than ideal, they are using their position to sway the average 'clock-in, clock-out, go home and think about football' guy in an inappropriate manner. And I like and generally trust those guys.
I don't trust salesmen.
05-22-2012, 02:37 PM
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Maybe. But if they have serious misgivings and pass it on to "let the pilots decide" they are playing a very dangerous game. Do they represent us, or not? Any rep who downplays, or discounts the importance of giving away more 70-seaters, or any of the other give-backs in this agreement designed to mitigate the cost of the minor improvements deserves to be called on it.
The 81 reps have already endorsed it. Without acknowledging the portions that are less than ideal, they are using their position to sway the average 'clock-in, clock-out, go home and think about football' guy in an inappropriate manner. And I like and generally trust those guys.
I don't trust salesmen.
The 81 reps have already endorsed it. Without acknowledging the portions that are less than ideal, they are using their position to sway the average 'clock-in, clock-out, go home and think about football' guy in an inappropriate manner. And I like and generally trust those guys.
I don't trust salesmen.
Two questions.
First, and I don't know how much traction the DPA really has at DAL, but wouldn't an early agreement/TPA pretty much make the DPA moot? Is that the hidden agenda?
Second, are you a former 560th guy?
Guess that was really 3 questions.......
Frats,
Lee
05-22-2012, 02:39 PM
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Well the MSP and DTW updates state they voted NO. The other was a SEA Rep. From that we can figure out who opted voted YES.
05-22-2012, 03:48 PM
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So, the other 14 guys who also saw that info must have not have been paying ANY attention?
I mean that would lead me to believe that roughly 9000 pilots had reps that don't look out for them...
Wow. 14 reps were really against their own pilots? That is crazy... Who is in charge of picking reps?
I mean that would lead me to believe that roughly 9000 pilots had reps that don't look out for them...
Wow. 14 reps were really against their own pilots? That is crazy... Who is in charge of picking reps?
05-22-2012, 03:55 PM
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How else are we supposed to decide which reps to vote for in an election?
The way they sit on the issues and the way they vote should not be a secret.
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