Pilot7576

Flatspin...

Why didn't you call fatigued...sounds like you were more than justified...

JMO

Pilot7576

MD114Ever

Just because you or someone else has done it, doesn't make it right, justified, or SAFE. I survived lots of poor decisions and poor judgement when I was younger, but the fact I survived doesn't mean doing those stupid things was the right thing to do. It mostly means I was lucky.

As for extending duty days and flight time, I think the proponents are crazy and out of touch. In the name of safety and common sense, we should be working to reduce duty days and flight time, not increase them. Outside of aviation, hardly anyone works more than 9 or 10 hour days, yet aviators are expected to work as much as 16 hour days and be at the top of our game in the 16th hour.

It doesn't pass the basic common sense test.

Flatspin7

Pilot7576....

It was right on the edge... I guess there are a bunch of reasons why I/We didnt.

Part of it was that MSY is only 45 minutes from IAH,
Part that there were so many people trying to go that have been sitting at the airport for hours,
Part of it that it looked like we were going to beat the weather into MSY
Part of it was that we didnt know that we were going to get hosed trying to get out of IAH while operations got their act together.
I was also flying with an outstanding Capt whom I trusted, and I knew that we collectively could get it done.

Sounds like the begining to one of those CRM class video tapes doesnt in.

Honestly its kinda hard to say NO to a plane full of desperate people who honestly are just happy to be leaving IAH. I speak with empathy because I am almost always happy to leave IAH!! I am a EWR kinda guy

MD114Ever

This sounds similar to the the circumstances that the American pilots encountered leading up to the accident in Little Rock.

JollyF15

What, is it some kind of badge of honor to press the duty limits everyday? Sounds like you are just the guy to join the JB koolaid crowd. If I block more than 30 hours in a month, I bid really poorly. Call me crazy, but I have no desire to max out the FAR limits each day/night.

Flatspin7

In retrospect there really was a lot of similarities. And it something had happened it probably would have appeared very clearly why it happened.

But at the same time we did talk about the threats and we brief the possibility of a go-around and diversion. That and we didnt have that whole management pilot vs jack-a$$ FO. We worked pretty well as a team.

Bulletboy

Uh......I think so. Get a clue.


http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/Stats.htm

Past V1

I find it quite humorous (to say the least) that Jetblue call themselves doing a fatigue study and then fires a FA that supposely fell asleep...how lame. I think this is the sign of times for the good ol' Jetblue to throw in the towel.

furloughman

We don't know which pilots conducted the survey. So, we have yet another reason to restrict non union pilots to the jumpseat!

Velocipede

If you mean from the jumpseat, I'm in agreement.