USAPA loses LOA93
12-09-2011, 05:13 AM
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12-09-2011, 08:19 AM
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What's getting lost in all the typical name calling is the statement that ALPA had ONE person testify at the hearing. That ONE person had no notes and no proof for the arbitrator to decide the case on the side of ALPA. The company had numerous people, all with their negotiators notes to "prove" the company position.
Question: Is THIS the kind of "representation" we would all hope for from ALPA?
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Question: Is THIS the kind of "representation" we would all hope for from ALPA?
Carl
12-09-2011, 08:55 AM
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Don't bother that guy with facts, he's just like an eastie. No alpa people were involved at all, in fact the east pilots that negotiated loa 93 said there was no SnapBack, usapa went full speed ahead guaranteeing victory.
12-09-2011, 09:12 AM
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ALPA had ONE person testify at the hearing. That ONE person had no notes and no proof for the arbitrator to decide the case on the side of ALPA. The company had numerous people, all with their negotiators notes to "prove" the company position.
Question: Is THIS the kind of "representation" we would all hope for from ALPA?
Carl
Question: Is THIS the kind of "representation" we would all hope for from ALPA?
Carl
USAPA the legacy of losers.
12-09-2011, 10:04 AM
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12-09-2011, 10:08 AM
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12-09-2011, 10:15 AM
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Certainly not. But he could have brought his contemporaneous notes of the negotiations. Like the management negotiators did.
There could be a number of reasons they didn't testify. If this had been civil or criminal court, they would not have had that option. They would have been subpoenaed to testify. Could you post a reference from them stating that they thought it was BS and wanted no part of it?
Alrighty then.
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Alrighty then.
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12-09-2011, 10:46 AM
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What's getting lost in all the typical name calling is the statement that ALPA had ONE person testify at the hearing. That ONE person had no notes and no proof for the arbitrator to decide the case on the side of ALPA. The company had numerous people, all with their negotiators notes to "prove" the company position.
Question: Is THIS the kind of "representation" we would all hope for from ALPA?
Carl
Question: Is THIS the kind of "representation" we would all hope for from ALPA?
Carl
While I agree with part of your statement, I'd say it would be blanket coverage to all of ALPA in this matter. At my previous airline as a representative, I was able to see shelves of 3-ring binders filled with negotiating notes taken during the negotiating process. It was explained to me by the attorney that these were kept specifically for future grievances to show intent at the negotiating table should the need arise.
So the question becomes who were the incompetent negotiators who didn't follow standard practice to take (and retain) detailed notes? Doesn't matter who the bargaining agent is or was in this case. It's the individuals assigned to do the job who should be questioned.
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