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10-08-2006, 07:03 PM

#21

SkyHigh

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Check it out.

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

Skyhigh I remember right. You previously said that you left Horizon and landed your "Dream Job.

BTW $2000 a month as a new hire wasn't too bad a few years ago. I made $1200 a month at my first Major Carrier and $1100 at my second Major Job.

Do a search. My dream Job is and always has been Alaska Airlines. I was told in an Alaska Airlines interview that they wanted to see some heavy time in my logbook. At the time National was upgrading in 9 months and so I took the chance. The left seat in a 757-200 would have been a huge advance over Dash 8 FO. Horizon's upgrade at the time was 3.5 to 6 years. As we all know it almost worked. Life is a risk.

Lets not forget that my $2000/mo was in the year 2000. Back in the 60's 2 K was a lot of money.

(joke)

By the way back when I hired on at National Airlines the CEO came in and gave on how we would never earn more than 85K as a pilot for the company. At the time captain pay was just 55K. Never for a second did I consider that place as a "dream" job, but it is as close as I will ever get.

SkyHigh

10-08-2006, 07:10 PM

#22

RedeyeAV8r

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh

Do a search. My dream Job is and always has been Alaska Airlines.SkyHigh

You would be unhappy at Alaska Air too

10-08-2006, 07:48 PM

#23

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Hey !!

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

You would be unhappy at Alaska Air too

Now why would you say that? Are we all suppose to be door mats and to be thankful to management for giving us a plane to fly and a pittance to live on? I was unhappy at National because it was low pay with a bleak future and a short history of abusing its employees. They didn't even pretend to promise anything even close to industry standard pay. Of course I was unhappy. I had a young family to feed and I needed more than just a thin hope that my future would be better. Alaska Airlines has a SEA base and after the first year your pay jumps to a livable level. They are not in the same league at all.

My expectations were and are much higher. Satisfaction with less is a large part of what is driving the industry down. The young ones today are prepared for a life of poverty. I can't wait to see what lowered expectations they will have.

SKyHigh

10-08-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh

Now why would you say that?
SKyHigh

Because (unfortunately) I have read most of your 1527 posts on the subject.

10-09-2006, 05:54 AM

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Skywriting

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Same old Crap

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh

Last night I watched the movie "Cast Away" with Tom Hanks. It reminded me of my big aviation dream. It was to be working for a company that treated me with respect, generosity and also valued my services. I loved flying and what a better dream it was then to be doing something I loved for a company I loved just as much.

Towards the end of the movie Tom Hanks is celebrated through a huge company sponsored party. Eventually he is lead into what appears to be a well stocked pilot lounge with food games, TV's and comfortable furniture. What a life it must be. All I ever received from my employers was a kick to the crotch every time I opened my pay check and a dingy crowded pilot lounge with an old TV in rabbit ears and free phone calls to the suicide hot line.

I wonder if the dream really does exsist?

SKyHigh

Look at his threads and everyone is the same. This individual is a broken record that needs serious help.
End of Story.
Give it a rest Skyhigh.

10-09-2006, 06:03 AM

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Rest?

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Originally Posted by Skywriting

Look at his threads and everyone is the same. This individual is a broken record that needs serious help.
End of Story.
Give it a rest Skyhigh.

I don't get how you guys can propose that "I" give it a rest. I am a broken record since I have continuity in the truth that I pass along. Years ago someone in this country mentioned over and over again that they were not happy with British rule. There is nothing wrong with me expressing my humble opinions.

SkyHigh

10-09-2006, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sanchez

My QOL is pretty good, and I trully enjoy my job everyday. The pay is not what we deserve anywhere including the majors...but that's a different story. The dream is very much alive for those who can live it with a possitive attitude.

The pay is never what you deserve, the pay is what you negotiate.

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The dream is very much alive for those who can live it with a possitive attitude.

Unfortunately, those with that "positive attitude" are also the same people who are all too happy to fly for just about any wage - including minimum wage.

10-09-2006, 06:11 AM

#28

SkyHigh

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Not much

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r

Because (unfortunately) I have read most of your 1527 posts on the subject.

Your argument is non existent. You can do better than that.

Are you saying that I was supposed to be happy with employers that paid less than a livable wage and extended disrespectful and difficult working conditions? Would you have been happy with a company logo-ed coffee mug in lieu of a promised pay raise?

We both may have worn similar uniforms and flew similar equipment across the country but that is where the similarities end.

SkyHigh

10-09-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyHigh

I couldn't help but notice that many of you who have replied are still new to the industry. Just wait. In a few years you will begin to get it.

Skyhigh

I'll be sure to keep you posted SkyHigh

Right now, I'm in a situation that is a long way from "the top." But you know what, I'm still happy doing what I do, as are about 90% of those that fly for my company. I don't dread going to work every day. I enjoy my schedule. I enjoy where I live. And that's pretty good, in my opinion.

10-09-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lab Rat

The pay is never what you deserve, the pay is what you negotiate.

Unfortunately, those with that "positive attitude" are also the same people who are all too happy to fly for just about any wage - including minimum wage.

Dude you have a way of making an @ss out of yourself. You don't know a thing about me and you already assume I sold out because I have a good attitude...must suck to fly with you with that attitude, good thing you're still an f.o.!

Ah yeah, we negotiated the best pay in the industry out of all the "express" carriers, but it still not enough, it's an ongoing battle. None the less, thanks to us, Eagle will get our pay plus 2% (I believe) per their contract with AA.

I didn't seattle for less, I had the option to go anywhere like Mesa or Colgan, but I elected to go with the highest pay and the better QOL. So wrong again.

It is a good thing that almost 50% of work force retires in the next 10 years, there is definetely people here that have sh!tty attitudes, and most of the time it seems to be the "experienced, older, and wiser" group. I hope age 60 sticks!