Elvis90

Pedantic...good SAT word! Obstruse, erudite, doctrinaire, ostentatious. +1 to Justdoinmyjob for vocab use!

Carl Spackler

It's good that you've unmasked yourself as a far left guy. Gives great context to your opinions.

As has been stated many times, it's perfectly appropriate that line pilots for Delta are paid by Delta. We are working on behalf of Delta. When unelected MEC bureaucrats such as yourself and slowplay work "on behalf of Delta pilots", you're also paid by Delta. That's the problem. You should be paid by the people you're supposed to be representing. It might help you move away from constant apologies for whatever management does.

And you have the gall to screech about others putting forth a smear campaign? Do you even read what you write? Or are you too busy with hating Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch?

As has been stated many times, the fix to this is take all money from flight pay loss paid by the company and give it back to the pilot group as increased salary. Then our dues would increase the exact same amount so that our union guys would still get their flight pay loss, but they would get it from dues money...not management. Next straw man argument...

Carl

Carl Spackler

Hilarious! This is the guy that just got through screaming about a smear campaign. Good times!!

Your martyrdom complex is making you look foolish. Debit card/credit card is a meaningless distinction. One has no worse connotation than the other. The problem is poorly accounted for expenses by union officials.

Carl

tsquare

Uh.. I disagree with this in a sense. If DALPA were paying representatives, you and others would be squawking about the amount of work that you are getting for your money. I think that is a slippery slope too Carl.

Carl Spackler

You mean the kind of hearsay you keep spewing that DPA is really all about overturning the SLI?

What's pure bunk is your blatantly false premise. Let's do the math again shall we? 70 hours per month at the C2K rate of $268 per hour = 18,760. 92 hours per month at the current rate of $182 per hour = 16,744. Plus the 1,000 stipend (which is tax free) = 17,744. This is a 1,016 dollar difference. Add in the credit cards/debit cards for expenses and you get very close to C2K pay...which is EXACTLY what TheManager said. I know you will call this more sleazy Karl Rove propaganda, but the truth is what it is.

Have fun with the rest of your ALPA funded/flight pay loss funded smear campaign dude. You'll make the far left very proud.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Let's try not to keep taking our eyes off the ball here guys. The unelected MEC bureaucrats like Reroute, slowplay and alfaromeo keep changing the subject to the LEC reps. This is NOT about the LEC reps. LEC reps are underpaid and overworked in my opinion. Worse, is that their status at this top-down union is utterly meaningless. The real power is in the committee structure of which Reroute, slowplay and alfaromeo are part and parcel. They're the ones that are ridiculously overpaid (by Delta management) and need to go back to the line ASAP and "thanked" for their "service". MAYBE if that happened, we might morph into a bottom-up union where LEC reps actually mattered.

Carl

tsquare

If it is such a great deal Carl, why aren't you a rep? Then, when the MEC bubbas realize what a great upstanding hard working guy you are they will appoint YOU.. Carl Spackler, to one of those positions that you covet so much...

alfaromeo

Actually, it says much more about you than anything else. Let's examine the chief sleaze tactics from Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch.

For Rove, his coup de grace was the South Carolina primary in 2000 when he was Bush's campaign manager running against John McCain. He produced a "push-poll" where voters were asked: "Would you be less likely to vote for John McCain if you knew he fathered an illegitimate black child."

At the time McCain was campaigning with his 8 year old adopted Bangladeshi daughter who was dark complected. The McCains adopted this child because she was literally starving to death in an orphanage. So Your Hero Karl tries to win votes on the back of an 8 year old girl while sliming the McCains' truly humanitarian acts. Now is that right wing or left wing or is that just inhumane and sleazy?

Murdoch's flagship newspaper managed to hack into the cell phone voice mail of a young woman who had been abducted and killed. The search was still ongoing as it was not known if she was alive or dead. After her voice mailbox became full, the Sun reporters actually deleted voice mails so they could hear more messages left for her.

By deleting the voice mails, these sleaze balls gave false hope to her family that she was still alive and checking her own voice mail.

This is not right wing or left wing, these are two examples of the sleaziest type of rumor mongers and tabloid trash. This has nothing to do with right wing/left wing it has to do with morality and ethics. I don't know about you Carl, but if that was my daughter that had her voice mail hacked, that reporter would have his head caved in. Maybe you are more forgiving than I am.

It is only small minded people that have to try to pigeon hole every argument into some pre conceived framework like the current left wing right wing arguments. I guess that is where you are most comfortable.

I just want to make it clear, you are trying to compare a pilot making 70 hours a month at one pay rate versus a pilot making 92 hours a month at a lower pay rate. Somehow this makes sense to you, for me it is just more jibberish. By the way, the "stipend" as you call it is taxable, yet one more falsehood distributed by Carl, hey, why stop when you are on a roll.

Carl Spackler

Should we at least try to find out if this is even true? Or just get straight to the hanging.

A resolution. Great. What could go wrong there.

Carl

Carl Spackler

You guys have to come to grips with the fact that you no longer control the flow of information. My opinions based on fact and clear evidence is not a detestable ad hominem attack. I know that hearing other views probably feels like it if you're only used to living in the ALPA echo chamber. But if you're looking for a good baseless attack, look no further than your comparison of DPA to USAPA.

Carl