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Old 01-01-2012, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
How long has the Communications Chair been talking down to us? Seems like 10 years, but it may only be 5...he would be the first one I would replace, and I would have done it two years ago.

On the Term Limit thing? You simply make it a Requirement of being a Delta Pilot, just like paying dues is required under Agency Shop. Hold a Lottery, pull 4 names for each slot, and have an election. If you win, you must serve, but in 2 years you are Free again, having done your part. I think that would motivate the silent majority to wake up and pay attention to what they are actaully voting on!
Indentured servitude??? I admire the thought.. but I think we would get really really weak "participants".
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:41 AM
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Maybe you ought to actually read the source material, assistant groundskeeper. Then you wouldn't have to guess. The LM-2 breaks out all compensation and expense reimbursement (per diem, expenses, vacation reimbursement, etc.) for every individual. The document is way more intrusive than Federal requirements for publicly traded corporations, as they only are required to list the top 5 earners. Oh, all the stuff the union funds, such as the Charitable Fund and Furlough/Emergency Relief fund is in their too.
Went through the LM-2 for the last few hours slowplay. Compensation and expense reimbursement is listed for all the officers (title only), but I couldn't find any breakdown for "volunteers" and others based on the "individual" as you state above. What schedule of the LM-2 does that appear? For example, where on the LM-2 could I find out how much flight pay loss was paid to a member of the MEC's Strategic Planning Committee? Or Negotiating Committee? Or a DALPA volunteer that I know by name?

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Old 01-01-2012, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
There is only one guy on DPA's NC that has run for major public office (3 times). Asking for money from a union PAC that you've never contributed to is hypocritical, don't you think?
Translation: You're not really a union member if you're not ALPA. DPA support disqualifies you as someone who believes in unionism and as such, you're not entitled to PAC money from a "union" like ALPA if you decide to run for public office.

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I guess you don't like democracy, Spackler. Remember, it's not the Detroit Pilots Association.
It certainly isn't the Detroit Pilots Association despite you MEC bureaucrats constantly calling it that. The majority of DPA members are now ATL. Imagine that!

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The other councils representing the other 9,000 plus pilots get a vote too. And not one single committee guy got to vote on how that resolution was processed. All of it was done by the elected representatives.
What was the breakdown of that vote to kill the flight pay loss resolution slowplay? Where can we find out exactly how each LEC member voted in the process to follow or kill the fligth pay loss resolution?

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Old 01-01-2012, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Name that guy.

Name one elected representative that hasn't been included in the process, or been excluded from a meeting, or has been isolated from infomation provided to the MEC.
I won't say their names because they've asked me not to. 2 current and 4 former LEC members (all known to me personally) have stated this is exactly what happens to anyone who tries to upset the MEC apple cart. You are lied to, "mushroomed" and isolated from key information. This is done so you look uninformed at LEC meetings in front of your constituents. But more importantly, it's an example to the other LEC members of "what will happen to you" if behave badly as defined by our top-down MEC. I would encourage anyone else with friends who are current and former LEC reps to ask them this very question. Hear it for yourself.

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When you're finished with your "proof", contact the Department of Labor. They'll be interested.

Your assertion is bovine excrement.
None of this behavior is illegal under labor law. Unfortunately, there's nothing against unprofessional and retaliatory behavior against members your own administration.

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You keep repeating that which is false. Why? Is this what ninjas do?
Does name calling actually work in your unelected MEC bureaucrat meetings slowplay?

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Why did I take you off my ignore list?
I thought your ignore list was only for those LEC reps who don't agree with how you unelected bureaucrats wield power?

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Old 01-01-2012, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I've edited my original post to change the word "rate" to "pay" with appropriate homage to your word parsing.
You're not paying homage to my word parsing. By editing your post, you're admitting that you did parse and spin...exactly like I said you did.

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Now that we're finsihed with your attempt at deflection, you asked a bunch of questions and I answered them. Your turn, bombthrower.
Read above.

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Old 01-01-2012, 12:45 PM
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If it were up to me, LEC reps would only get what ever the ALV is every month, and no $1,000 override for a lawn crew, every month.


Timbo,

You are aware that your "LEC REPS" do not receive any sort of override whatsoever correct? They do not get trip drops for any LEC business. Representing pilots in the CP office? Off days. LEC meetings? Off days. In the larger bases you have Reps that are going to the airport 16 days a month to fly and then 8 or 9 days a month doing representations etc. This work does not get done by magic. I am sure there will be a flood of candidates for the election next year to take advantage of this really good deal. I hope that anyone who is considering running whether it be DALPA or DPA, will follow a large base rep around for a month and see if it is really such a sweet deal that some make it out to be.... If you value your free time, don't do it.
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Old 01-01-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I just made my New Year's resolution, which is to sign off this board. It has grown tiresome and redundant
Translation: "My worn out DALPA drivel is not working, so I quit."
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"DALPA won't deliver on C2012--I better take cover and submit my application to management."

Good riddance. The only thing tiresome and redundant are your asinine, company-funded-talking-points, including "commuting is a choice" at Delta.
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Old 01-01-2012, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco

You are aware that your "LEC REPS" do not receive any sort of override whatsoever correct? They do not get trip drops for any LEC business. Representing pilots in the CP office? Off days. LEC meetings? Off days. In the larger bases you have Reps that are going to the airport 16 days a month to fly and then 8 or 9 days a month doing representations etc.
You are wrong. They do get ALPA trip drops. I agree they work hard and if you value free time don't do it, but they do get ALPA drops.
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Old 01-01-2012, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat
Translation: "My worn out DALPA drivel is not working, so I quit."
and/or
"DALPA won't deliver on C2012--I better take cover and submit my application to management."

Good riddance. The only thing tiresome and redundant are your asinine, company-funded-talking-points, including "commuting is a choice" at Delta.
A few people on here try to refute a barrage of DPA half truths and lies and he's called asinine ? I like listening to both sides, I can make up my own mind. I don't believe all of what ALPA put's out but I really dislike the DPA supporters on here that attack anything that even sounds like it's pro ALPA with usually nothing but BS. If this group is representative of the DPA then they will never get my support or vote. I'm going to try and quit this addiction also,it's become very predictable and boring.
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Old 01-01-2012, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72
A few people on here try to refute a barrage of DPA half truths and lies and he's called asinine ? I like listening to both sides, I can make up my own mind. I don't believe all of what ALPA put's out but I really dislike the DPA supporters on here that attack anything that even sounds like it's pro ALPA with usually nothing but BS. If this group is representative of the DPA then they will never get my support or vote. I'm going to try and quit this addiction also,it's become very predictable and boring.
If DALPA produces a weak TA for this next contract, you may very well get out voted. No pressure DALPA, $35 million in dues each year is at stake!
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