Another Big Retirement Day at AA 10/1
09-28-2011, 06:26 PM
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My point was that we've (mostly) all allowed outsourcing.
Comair is a wholly owned division of Delta, and so was ASA. It's still about Delta flying being done by pilots not on the Delta seniority. Are Horizon planes flown by Alaska pilots? Isn't Skywest doing some of your lift?
I'm not calling you worse than the rest, just saying you're no different.
Comair is a wholly owned division of Delta, and so was ASA. It's still about Delta flying being done by pilots not on the Delta seniority. Are Horizon planes flown by Alaska pilots? Isn't Skywest doing some of your lift?
I'm not calling you worse than the rest, just saying you're no different.
09-28-2011, 06:29 PM
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Yeah, the SKW stuff is new. Disturbing, too.
Personally, I agree with you. If they're going to paint the planes in AS colors and call them AS flights, then they should be flown by AS pilots. To that end, I wouldn't have a problem with completely dissolving QX and putting them on our list.
Now THAT would be an interesting SLI!
Personally, I agree with you. If they're going to paint the planes in AS colors and call them AS flights, then they should be flown by AS pilots. To that end, I wouldn't have a problem with completely dissolving QX and putting them on our list.
Now THAT would be an interesting SLI!
09-28-2011, 07:43 PM
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QX is a bit of a special case... because they're so senior and have a relatively decent contract, they were never really much of a threat to the AS guys. They had 70 seat jets, but never that many of them, they were largely restricted to long thin routes that couldn't support a MD80/737, and now they're gone. Horizon is a smaller airline now than they were 20 years ago.
The Skywest thing, on the other hand, is a fairly major threat. They're much lower cost, and if I'm not mistaken there's no limit to the number of 70 seaters they can fly...is there?
The Skywest thing, on the other hand, is a fairly major threat. They're much lower cost, and if I'm not mistaken there's no limit to the number of 70 seaters they can fly...is there?
09-28-2011, 07:56 PM
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QX is a bit of a special case... because they're so senior and have a relatively decent contract, they were never really much of a threat to the AS guys. They had 70 seat jets, but never that many of them, they were largely restricted to long thin routes that couldn't support a MD80/737, and now they're gone. Horizon is a smaller airline now than they were 20 years ago.
The Skywest thing, on the other hand, is a fairly major threat. They're much lower cost, and if I'm not mistaken there's no limit to the number of 70 seaters they can fly...is there?
The Skywest thing, on the other hand, is a fairly major threat. They're much lower cost, and if I'm not mistaken there's no limit to the number of 70 seaters they can fly...is there?
09-29-2011, 06:29 AM
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QX is a bit of a special case... because they're so senior and have a relatively decent contract, they were never really much of a threat to the AS guys. They had 70 seat jets, but never that many of them, they were largely restricted to long thin routes that couldn't support a MD80/737, and now they're gone. Horizon is a smaller airline now than they were 20 years ago.
The Skywest thing, on the other hand, is a fairly major threat. They're much lower cost, and if I'm not mistaken there's no limit to the number of 70 seaters they can fly...is there?
The Skywest thing, on the other hand, is a fairly major threat. They're much lower cost, and if I'm not mistaken there's no limit to the number of 70 seaters they can fly...is there?
At one point, they had at least 22 of these. You may want to revise your comment.
09-29-2011, 06:57 AM
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We should all model B6 in this regard. All of their E-190s are flown by B6 pilots with Industry leading pay for the 100 Seat (E-190) category. Now the legacies need to do the same, but make the seat cutoff lower for mainline flying, like say 50 seats.
And I know this may be a tough pill to swallow, but the legacies may have to accept some SLI similar to Frontier/Republic to make the scope protection happen. Personally, I think we should suck up the SLI with mainline/regional and endure the short term pain associated, (this includes you DELTA guys) to protect scope in the long run.
And I know this may be a tough pill to swallow, but the legacies may have to accept some SLI similar to Frontier/Republic to make the scope protection happen. Personally, I think we should suck up the SLI with mainline/regional and endure the short term pain associated, (this includes you DELTA guys) to protect scope in the long run.
09-29-2011, 06:58 AM
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