Clear Right

Stole this from the SWA thread, but for those that argue JetBlue isn't protected in the event of a merger here you go. And I know the arguments will fly and some folks will flame, but the fact is JetBlue pilots are in fact "Covered employees" during a "Covered Transaction" they are not temporary employees and this has been verified by independant labor attorneys. ALPA tries to spin the wording, and the fact also remains that you are probably better off with this law during SLI vice ALPA's merger policy in thier CBA which would take precedence as defined by SEC 117.

The fact also remains that JetBlue management has done a farely good job taking care of their employees, yes they need to improve, but they are making progress. JetBlue pilots will also vote in the near future on scope language, more merger protection and other important improvements that will be incorporated into their employment agreements...so tell me again why they need ALPA??

CONSOLIDATED APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2008
HR 2764
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SEC. 117. LABOR INTEGRATION.
(a) LABOR INTEGRATION.—With respect to any covered transaction involving two or more covered air carriers that results in the combination of crafts or classes that are subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.), sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by the Civil Aeronautics Board in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to the integration of covered employees of the covered air carriers; except that—
(1) if the same collective bargaining agent represents the combining crafts or classes at each of the covered air carriers, that collective bargaining agent’s internal policies regarding integration, if any, will not be affected by and will supersede the requirements of this section; and
(2) the requirements of any collective bargaining agreement that may be applicable to the terms of integration involving covered employees of a covered air carrier shall not be affected by the requirements of this section as to the employees covered by that agreement, so long as those provisions allow for the protections afforded by sections 3 and 13 of the
Allegheny-Mohawk provisions.
(b) DEFINITIONS.—In this section, the following definitions apply:
(1) AIR CARRIER.—The term ‘‘air carrier’’ means an air carrier that holds a certificate issued under chapter 411 of title 49, United States Code.
(2) COVERED AIR CARRIER.—The term ‘‘covered air carrier’’ means an air carrier that is involved in a covered transaction.
(3) COVERED EMPLOYEE.—The term ‘‘covered employee’’ means an employee who—
(A) is not a temporary employee; and
(B) is a member of a craft or class that is subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.).
(4) COVERED TRANSACTION.—The term ‘‘covered transaction’’ means—
(A) a transaction for the combination of multiple air carriers into a single air carrier;and which
(B) involves the transfer of ownership or control of—
(i) 50 percent or more of the equity securities (as defined in section 101 of title 11, United States Code) of an air carrier; or
(ii) 50 percent or more (by value) of the assets of the air carrier.
(c) APPLICATION.—This section shall not apply to any covered transaction involving a covered air carrier that took place before the date of enactment of this Act.

(d) EFFECTIVENESS OF PROVISION.—This section shall become effective on the date of enactment of this Act and shall continue in effect in fiscal years after fiscal year 2008.
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Sennaha

That is funny.

tsquare

IF SWA ever visits bankruptcy, all bets are off. They might take a 50% paycut, you don't know. But I'd take your guarantee that it will never happen and put a steak dinner with all the trimmings on it. You give their management way too much credit. Times have been good, and they have never been tested. When they are, it's all different. Personalities change. They are still called "management" and that's what they will do. We'll probably never see that, but to say it will never happen is naive.

Oh, and the socialism comment was just a barb to get a political comment in without another sanction.

DAL 88 Driver

You're on! It's a bet!!

So what's the time frame? Will either of us still have enough teeth left to chew the steak?

atp409

Substandard job protection? Ask twa folks how their negotiated job protection worked out.

jungleguppy

Or Midwest, or Mid Atlantic (remember them?) Yes, we get it that large parts of our “PEA” are not great, but it would seem that CBA job protections only seem to work when things are going well. That and no-furlough clauses, that work right up until the company decides to furlough...

The leaders of ALPA should learn that when people feel like they have been poorly represented, they will be unlikely to vote for them in the future. Those people that feel slighted by an organization (union, business or otherwise) are likely going to try to convince others of their dissatisfaction.

pinseeker

Sorry, but I don't see how this protects JB pilots. To be a covered employee, you must meet A) and B) per the definition of a covered employee. Unless the group is represented by an organized union, then you don't meet the second half of the requirement. Please explain how this is wrong. Also, have some of your pilots hired labor attorneys or is this what JB is telling you? Not trying to stir the pot, just looking for clarification.

IQuitEagle

So our pay rates are less than Airtran and Spirit? Yeaaahhh...
When you start talking out of your ass, you lose any credibility you may have had.

johnso29

Your rates do currently exceed AT's but will not when they have a join contract with SWA. Your 320 CA rates never exceed those or Spirit, but you FO rates do. He's not completely incorrect.

cgtpilot

Which chart are you using and don't forgot about premium (150% of base rate) for all credit hours over 78. After that subtract our health insurance employee contribution amount and 5% employee 401k contribution required for company match and I'll bet you were dead even. Ask me how I know