Albief15

Tony,

The "enjoying the lake" line was aimed at the threat starter from AA, not you...no offense intended. I reread the post and can see how that my have been easy to read both ways. My apologies.

You noticed I didn't slam tanker guys. I have sipped sipped sipped enough gas over some pretty dark and scary places NOT to appreciate what you guys bring to the fight. My beef was with the guy who's ****ed he has to go into work off reserve instead of staying at home because some poor slob is out there trying to serve two masters...

For the record...I haven't taken much mil leave at all since 2005. I do a straight drop instead. I do this so there can be NO perception that I am somehow trying to game any system. I fly 6-10 times every month to stay current in the F-15. At our company--you don't get paid on mil leave, but you can drop trips without penalty. Nobody is getting "extra" money for doing both jobs. In fact, I'm losing money every time I fly ANG instead of FDX. However--I don't do it for the money. A good example is next week I have to drop a 30+ hour DDH trip. Why? I have a CRM class required by the AF that I have expired currency on. This class is taught ONCE a month only--and I'm already on 30 day grace extension. Another irony? I helped develop this same course...but there is no "grandfather" or "helped author" clause. Its the end of the FY, so I can only get enough Man days to work 2 days next week....or about $600. The trip I drop will be worth $3800 or so. I'm not complaining about that--but I want to show you in real dollars that for many guys there is a price to pay for sticking around in the ANG...for a lot guys the military work is actually worth a lot less (monetarily anyway) than the airline work. However...when I show up for work, there will probably be some guy who points out "geez Albie, we missed you at the XXX last week...." I really think the guy who said your wife, your airline, and your unit all get frustrated with you at times pretty much hit the nail on the head.

So...summary: Tony C...good guy. I like Tony. AA thread starter: Idiot. Concur with Jolly.

Lifizgud

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, too. But he was an idiot that had it all planned out, and thought it was fun to brag about how smart he was at gaming the system - this is the kind of guy that gets both sides of this argument fired up. It's not easy doing both, and lots of people on both sides don't mind pulling a little extra to make it happen, but as several people have pointed out, there's always the few bad apples that seem to highlight themselves.

TonyC

No sweat - - I knew there was a good chance of getting caught in the crossfire when I opened my mouth.

Tanker guys? You callin' me a tanker guy?!?! I ain't no stinkin' tanker toad - - flew RCs! That's R for Reconnaissance. (Bet you didn't think I could spell that, huh?) And that's Recce (pronounced Reck-ee) for short, not Recon.

I kid, I kid... no dissin' tanker toads here.

But I bet I got more time on the boom than you.




I think that most folks unfamiliar with the Guard/Reserve gig fail to realize that. I know it's not for the money, or for the extra free time. I believe that many do it for the job security that few airlines offer these days. Others do it because they don't want to give up flying "that jet." I may be off base, but the patriotic motivation may not fit the airline pilot/guardsman/reservist description as aptly as the Active Duty serviceman. There must have been something that motivated him to seek the airline job in the first place and turn the job of "breaking things" into a part-time job.

But that doesn't matter - - the motivation, that is. AS a guardsman/reservist, he does our country a great service, and more often than not, it comes at the cost of his own time and money. I have no empirical data to support the following statement, but I'll go out on a limb with rhetorical evidence and say that the vast majority of part-timers take their jobs very seriously, and contribute to our liberty with their service. Those that do so should be enraged, then, if and when one of their own abuses the system in some way, or games the system to gain unfair advantage. In the big picture, we all suffer from the deeds of one.




And then some guy with a burr in his saddle blows it all out of proportion, and we meet in a thread such as this...



Enjoy your CRM class.




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Albief15

Oh yeah...I knew that...Recce...sorry...

So--just how much fun WERE those extra weeks at Fairchild?

TonyC

Well, let's just say that I learned more there than in all the other "survival" courses combined.


And I got to go to town in the evenings.



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Andy

Tony, you're pre-PSAB Reccie, right? When did you have tent time? I was told that the 38th crews stayed in Eskan Village during Desert Storm.

CargoBob

Why do you continue w/ the BS...


"I CARE BECAUSE ITS MY A$$ doing THEIR work and they are getting paid
for NOT BEING THERE."


1. FACT: They do not get paid by AA for the trip if dropping for mil leave.

2. Your A$$ doing the work?...You sit reserve and expect not to fly...Lazy and stupid?? A mil reservist dropping an AA trip and taking a paycut to stay current in the military ****es you off?? You are bothered because you want free reserve money from AA for sitting at home or joining up w/ Cindy Sheehan in Crawford. Your A$$ is doing none of the work to keep this country safe from Al Qaeda...you should kiss the ass of every mil reservist at AA and be more than happy to fly their dropped trips. You also should be going to their house while they are deployed and mowing the lawn, washing the car, and taking out the trash!


Thank god I don't have to fly w/ you...you must be at AA through merger...no way my friends over there would have hired you. Most of the guys over there are awesome, how did you slip through the cracks??

You have Big mouth and small head...have you called the Army reserves yet...they have openings????

rickair7777

I don't get paid guarantee when I'm gone, so there is obviously no federal law in that regard. If reservists are getting MORE consideration than the law requires, then the company, or the union contract, must be doing it voluntarily. It's YOUR contract, so change it at the next opportunity.

I don't think reserves should necessarily be able to double dip two salaries at the same time, but if it were offered, of course I'm going to take it! Wouldn't you?

Note: Federal (and some state/local) civil service employees always get to double-dip when on reserve duty, up to 30 days a year.

CargoBob

Where do you get your facts...I do not know the intracacies of your contract but I have common sense and I would be willing to bet my FedEx TA signing bonus that you are wrong!

No way does AA let a pilot receive a reserve line, drop the entire month and go do military, and get paid by AA the 73 hours--no freaking way! AA might pay for a 4 day reserve block worth 16 hours or so.

You need to get facts or common sense before you spout off...I do not have your contract in fron t of me, but I have common sense...no way AA pays a guy 73 hrs for no work!!!

But they should!!! Airline management gets a lot of freebies from the govt...share the wealth w/ the guys who punish the Taliban/Al Qaeda. The same guys that killed your fellow pilots.

Concern yourself with real problems not ones imagined in your little world.

Lifizgud

Quote: BUT if the same mil. man is on airline reserve then
they still get the monthly guarantee.

Thats why they call it a guarantee.

Whether the pilot flys 5 hours or 73 THE PAY IS THE SAME. Endquote.

Hey, you think FedEx can work that into the new contract or is it too late?
Just kidding! Don't anyone blow a gasket now...