Delta Ponders Pilot Sources
04-21-2011, 09:46 AM
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Elvis90....I don't plan to cut and run. I plan to stay and fight for a better contract in 2012. If it is more of the same, I would vote with my feet then.
To answer your question about leaving for greener pastures: I have already made adjustments to make my life financially better. I run a couple of ventures on the side. Ventures with way less responsibilities but ventures which pays more than my DAL pilot job.
The point is: I should not have to do a second job to support my family while piloting for one of the world's largest airliners. I should not have to come to work tired after running my side-business. But that is the reality.
In my ideal world, I want to quit my side business and just worry about safely transporting passengers for Delta. It is a hard enough job.
To answer your question about leaving for greener pastures: I have already made adjustments to make my life financially better. I run a couple of ventures on the side. Ventures with way less responsibilities but ventures which pays more than my DAL pilot job.
The point is: I should not have to do a second job to support my family while piloting for one of the world's largest airliners. I should not have to come to work tired after running my side-business. But that is the reality.
In my ideal world, I want to quit my side business and just worry about safely transporting passengers for Delta. It is a hard enough job.
04-21-2011, 01:37 PM
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The press release says that the selected highschoolers would need to get a thousand CFI hours, then a thousand regional hours, then interview at one of the "sponsoring majors".
How much captain time does Delta think these "staffing saviors" will have?
How much captain time does Delta think these "staffing saviors" will have?
04-21-2011, 03:46 PM
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This whole idea is a joke. First of all Delta has always had a skewed view of what a "hirable applicant" is/was. No if's, and's or but's. Now with this initiative, they are considering college grads with less than a B average, as long as the grades for aviation-related classes were a B or better. Seriously, 10 years ago, Delta wouldn't have even considered a guy with less than a B average. Secondly, after all is said and done, all Delta is willing to actually commit to is to "guarantee" the candidate the opportunity to interview, and that is only at a regional carrier (no disrespect intended toward regional guys).
So say a guy decides to pursue a career in aviation, he has to go to one of the approved schools, take some aviation-related courses, graduate with the above mentioned GPA, or better, then stay at that school to accumulate 1000 hours of IP time, before being "guaranteed" an interview. All the while, after graduation, earning probably minimum wage, again, just to be allowed an interview. With no guarantee of actually securing a job. Then, if he or she is lucky enough to actually be hired, and after logging the required "mainline" hours, they are again only "guaranteed" an interview at said "mainline" airline.
As well, the article says that "CAPT would mainly look to high-tier college aviation programmes as means of cultivating pilots. "Statistical data indicates that a quality college education from a top-tier university or college provides us with a much better pilot in terms of fewer training failures, overall performance and reliability," notes Kraby." .......Quality education? Less than a B average will provide a pilot, who over time, will have "fewer training failures, overall performance and reliability." Really?
All I can say is that it must have been a really lousy week for the author to have stopped sniffing glue, prior to writing that article.
So say a guy decides to pursue a career in aviation, he has to go to one of the approved schools, take some aviation-related courses, graduate with the above mentioned GPA, or better, then stay at that school to accumulate 1000 hours of IP time, before being "guaranteed" an interview. All the while, after graduation, earning probably minimum wage, again, just to be allowed an interview. With no guarantee of actually securing a job. Then, if he or she is lucky enough to actually be hired, and after logging the required "mainline" hours, they are again only "guaranteed" an interview at said "mainline" airline.
As well, the article says that "CAPT would mainly look to high-tier college aviation programmes as means of cultivating pilots. "Statistical data indicates that a quality college education from a top-tier university or college provides us with a much better pilot in terms of fewer training failures, overall performance and reliability," notes Kraby." .......Quality education? Less than a B average will provide a pilot, who over time, will have "fewer training failures, overall performance and reliability." Really?
All I can say is that it must have been a really lousy week for the author to have stopped sniffing glue, prior to writing that article.
04-21-2011, 04:35 PM
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I think it's funny that people still think that SWA is THE place to be - I'm sure its a great place to work, but SWA has done a TON of hiring over the last 8 years or so. Anyone getting hired now is a the tail end of a very big wave - not to mention the uncertainty associated with the pending Airtran merger. Meanwhile, DL is looking at loosing over half it's seniority list in the next 15 years. You want to talk about climate, pay, uncertainty, just look at the numbers.
their fifth year fo's make more than our captains. they don't need movement
04-21-2011, 05:20 PM
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Exactly man. Enthusiasm...my a$$. Money talks.
I've been in this industry for 15 years. Flight instructor, 135 night freight, regional, major, narrowbody, widebody etc etc. What do I make at Delta after all these years? Minimum guarantee of 70 hrs times $110. After all the deductions and taxes, I make around $5500 per month. What a f'n joke.
I've been in this industry for 15 years. Flight instructor, 135 night freight, regional, major, narrowbody, widebody etc etc. What do I make at Delta after all these years? Minimum guarantee of 70 hrs times $110. After all the deductions and taxes, I make around $5500 per month. What a f'n joke.
Sobering info for an AD MIL guy.
04-21-2011, 05:30 PM
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Freightguy & Airhoss, when do you plan on leaving your current carrier for greener pastures? Where do you plan on going? I agree it's not what it was in 2000, but new contracts are being negotiated.
I plan on becoming the new Kaang of Rock n Roll..
Thank ya, thank ya, very much!!
04-21-2011, 07:00 PM
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Exactly man. Enthusiasm...my a$$. Money talks.
I've been in this industry for 15 years. Flight instructor, 135 night freight, regional, major, narrowbody, widebody etc etc. What do I make at Delta after all these years? Minimum guarantee of 70 hrs times $110. After all the deductions and taxes, I make around $5500 per month. What a f'n joke.
There are McDonalds managers making $50000+ per year. With deductions, taxes etc, they net $4000 per month. .
I've been in this industry for 15 years. Flight instructor, 135 night freight, regional, major, narrowbody, widebody etc etc. What do I make at Delta after all these years? Minimum guarantee of 70 hrs times $110. After all the deductions and taxes, I make around $5500 per month. What a f'n joke.
There are McDonalds managers making $50000+ per year. With deductions, taxes etc, they net $4000 per month. .
Any idea what the out of pocket expenses are for that store on "a decent street corner"?
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