DAL early retirement 2009/2011
05-05-2011, 07:11 AM
#271
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I agree with your first paragraph in it's entirety.
Maybe I'm naive but I think every delta pilot, including the MEC and all pilots volunteering within ALPA, wants signifcant increases in pay (like you described above) and significant scope restoration. The question is how do we get there? I wish I knew.
Denny
Maybe I'm naive but I think every delta pilot, including the MEC and all pilots volunteering within ALPA, wants signifcant increases in pay (like you described above) and significant scope restoration. The question is how do we get there? I wish I knew.
Denny
I don't think any one of us knows all the details of how we get there. But what I do know is that we are extremely unlikely to get there if we do not set it as the objective. You can't even get the MEC to say the word "restoration." It's like a hot potato that nobody wants to handle. Wanting something and actually setting out to go get it are two totally different things. Sure, you can ask any DALPA person or any line pilot if we want to restore our careers. But my experience has been that you could bring Jack Bauer in to use "enhanced interrogation techniques" on the MEC, and you STILL wouldn't get them to say that "restoration" is something we are striving for. That's a problem, don't you think?
05-05-2011, 07:27 AM
#272
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
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Exactly! SWA's most challenging place to fly will soon be SJU! Do they fly to MED places, yellow fever shots, S America, Africa, Europe, Asia....etc..
My third grader could argue that we are a more valuable skill set with potential to maximize revenue flying to these crazy places! If Dalpa can't...we need to FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN!
My third grader could argue that we are a more valuable skill set with potential to maximize revenue flying to these crazy places! If Dalpa can't...we need to FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN!
I fly a 747 to all the listed above and more, with 24 hour duty days, 5 yr captain at 123 an hour. I have skills (nun-chuck skills too)...can ur 3rd grader negotiate higher pay rates for me?
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05-05-2011, 08:02 AM
#273
Senior by choice
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05-05-2011, 09:54 AM
#274
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Carl
05-05-2011, 10:01 AM
#275
No longer cares
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Nice slam. I do not believe in donating to the PAC because I am philosophically opposed to the legal bribery of public officials. ELECTED public officials at that. I know.. we have a corrupt government. I know.. that is how it works in DC.. But ya know what.. I have to draw my line somewhere. I choose not to contribute to the personal wealth of the US congress... They already steal enough from me. If you contribute, good for you. And my complaints about ALPA (national) rarely have to do with legislative affairs.
05-05-2011, 10:07 AM
#276
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05-05-2011, 10:11 AM
#277
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T, sorry, but you lost me right after the above statement.
I see what you stated above as yet another example of how our expectations have been managed/controlled. Successful businesses with competent management do not treat employees as merely a "liability." Surely, you've seen the numerous times I've posted about how employees are one of the greatest ASSETS to a business. I'm not just pulling that out of my butt. It's what I was taught in college at a very good business school. It's what I learned growing up as the fourth generation in a family business and was further reinforced as I later ran that business for several years. Certainly, costs are important... and there is a limit to what you can pay employees. But I've never heard of a company slashing a group of employees pay by 42% in an extreme emergency situation... and then just assuming it's okay to keep it there years after the emergency was over, while at the same time increasing my own pay back to pre-emergency levels. I would never in a million years as an executive think I could get away with that. For one, I would expect to completely trash morale and lose the loyalty of my employees. And furthermore, I know it would be bad business and extremely poor leadership to do so. Why? Because I recognize that employees are one of the most valued assets to my business, and NOT a "liability."
I see what you stated above as yet another example of how our expectations have been managed/controlled. Successful businesses with competent management do not treat employees as merely a "liability." Surely, you've seen the numerous times I've posted about how employees are one of the greatest ASSETS to a business. I'm not just pulling that out of my butt. It's what I was taught in college at a very good business school. It's what I learned growing up as the fourth generation in a family business and was further reinforced as I later ran that business for several years. Certainly, costs are important... and there is a limit to what you can pay employees. But I've never heard of a company slashing a group of employees pay by 42% in an extreme emergency situation... and then just assuming it's okay to keep it there years after the emergency was over, while at the same time increasing my own pay back to pre-emergency levels. I would never in a million years as an executive think I could get away with that. For one, I would expect to completely trash morale and lose the loyalty of my employees. And furthermore, I know it would be bad business and extremely poor leadership to do so. Why? Because I recognize that employees are one of the most valued assets to my business, and NOT a "liability."
05-05-2011, 10:58 AM
#279
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Carl
05-05-2011, 11:46 AM
#280
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I didn't have a good answer...???
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