DAL early retirement 2009/2011
05-04-2011, 10:22 PM
#251
Da Hudge
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I'm mostly a lurker but...
Here's what's going to happen in Contract 2012...
We'll get a modest payraise. 3-4 percent above current.
We'll get an annual payrise... 2-3 percent.
We'll get some minor, very minor, improvements to work rules, trip rigs, and some (no company cost) improvements to the reserve system.
This pilot group, and DALPA, doesn't have the stones to do anything else.
Save this post and see if I'm wrong in 2013.
Cheers,
ImTumbleweed
Here's what's going to happen in Contract 2012...
We'll get a modest payraise. 3-4 percent above current.
We'll get an annual payrise... 2-3 percent.
We'll get some minor, very minor, improvements to work rules, trip rigs, and some (no company cost) improvements to the reserve system.
This pilot group, and DALPA, doesn't have the stones to do anything else.
Save this post and see if I'm wrong in 2013.
Cheers,
ImTumbleweed
05-05-2011, 01:56 AM
#253
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
I'm mostly a lurker but...
Here's what's going to happen in Contract 2012...
We'll get a modest payraise. 3-4 percent above current.
We'll get an annual payrise... 2-3 percent.
We'll get some minor, very minor, improvements to work rules, trip rigs, and some (no company cost) improvements to the reserve system.
This pilot group, and DALPA, doesn't have the stones to do anything else.
Save this post and see if I'm wrong in 2013.
Cheers,
ImTumbleweed
Here's what's going to happen in Contract 2012...
We'll get a modest payraise. 3-4 percent above current.
We'll get an annual payrise... 2-3 percent.
We'll get some minor, very minor, improvements to work rules, trip rigs, and some (no company cost) improvements to the reserve system.
This pilot group, and DALPA, doesn't have the stones to do anything else.
Save this post and see if I'm wrong in 2013.
Cheers,
ImTumbleweed
05-05-2011, 02:25 AM
#254
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
I was referring to the fact that WE, the DAL pilot group, primarily as a result of our merger, have been the only group to step up and get raises since most everyone's contract was reset after 9/11. Yes, NWA got some immediately after 9/11; so did the pre-merger DAL guys. But all of those went away with the bankruptcy. AMR is still sitting with their post 9/11 contract; same with CAL, UAL, and LCC.
I'm just saying had any of those guys stepped up to the plate and hit a single, rather than trying to hit the homer, we'd have an easier time in C2012. I'm still guardedly optimistic regarding UCAL; time will tell.
And of course, I suspect DALPA will claim SWA as our "peer" and likely insist on rates above them. Management used them for the first 15 years of my career and has wanted us to be at their low rates since I got hired up until bankruptcy. DALPA was able to convince them SWA was NOT our peer, and thus we were worth more. Now the shoe is on the other foot for both. We'll try to claim they are; and management will use the exact same words we used for the first 15 years of my career against us.
That's all I'm trying to say.
Last edited by Pineapple Guy; 05-05-2011 at 03:19 AM.
05-05-2011, 03:26 AM
#255
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05-05-2011, 03:30 AM
#256
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
I'm mostly a lurker but...
Here's what's going to happen in Contract 2012...
We'll get a modest payraise. 3-4 percent above current.
We'll get an annual payrise... 2-3 percent.
We'll get some minor, very minor, improvements to work rules, trip rigs, and some (no company cost) improvements to the reserve system.
This pilot group, and DALPA, doesn't have the stones to do anything else.
Save this post and see if I'm wrong in 2013.
Cheers,
ImTumbleweed
Here's what's going to happen in Contract 2012...
We'll get a modest payraise. 3-4 percent above current.
We'll get an annual payrise... 2-3 percent.
We'll get some minor, very minor, improvements to work rules, trip rigs, and some (no company cost) improvements to the reserve system.
This pilot group, and DALPA, doesn't have the stones to do anything else.
Save this post and see if I'm wrong in 2013.
Cheers,
ImTumbleweed
That would be unacceptable. So save this post.
Scope will get firmer language which will force 2 things:
1. a 76 seat payrate on our contract and
2. A merger or divestiture of/with Alaska.
Company 401k contributions will go to 20-25%.
SWA payrates will be the DAL narrorbody benchmark with widebodies proportionally higher.
05-05-2011, 03:39 AM
#257
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Posts: 1,462
05-05-2011, 03:44 AM
#258
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
For me to go to $271/hr would be wonderful... $327 would be even better. Will that happen? At the risk of sounding like one of the managed expectations guys.. I highly doubt it. I think since SWA and all those "discount" airlines came on the scene post deregulation, the dynamic has forever changed. They trashed the industry with high volume, low fare seats. I blame them waaaay more than DCI for the demise of our way of life. People don't expect to pay a fair price anymore.. thanks SWA. Does that mean we shouldn't be the highest paid? Absolutely not. Will we? Like PG said, I think we need more creative ways to get paid. Management figured out how to bring revenue without the gubbamint sticking their hand in our pocket.. maybe there is a way for us to do that. Maybe it is too late for you and I.. but like so many are fond of saying, we should leave the industry better than we found it. And seat pay is NOT the way to do THAT... I know.. different rant... So I'll leave it at that.
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Everyone lauds SWA, but in reality their lower pay (at the time) and operational structure are what lead us to where the industry is today. Memories are short in this area.
05-05-2011, 03:46 AM
#259
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
I'm mostly a lurker but...
Here's what's going to happen in Contract 2012...
We'll get a modest payraise. 3-4 percent above current.
We'll get an annual payrise... 2-3 percent.
We'll get some minor, very minor, improvements to work rules, trip rigs, and some (no company cost) improvements to the reserve system.
This pilot group, and DALPA, doesn't have the stones to do anything else.
Save this post and see if I'm wrong in 2013.
Cheers,
ImTumbleweed
Here's what's going to happen in Contract 2012...
We'll get a modest payraise. 3-4 percent above current.
We'll get an annual payrise... 2-3 percent.
We'll get some minor, very minor, improvements to work rules, trip rigs, and some (no company cost) improvements to the reserve system.
This pilot group, and DALPA, doesn't have the stones to do anything else.
Save this post and see if I'm wrong in 2013.
Cheers,
ImTumbleweed
05-05-2011, 03:47 AM
#260
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A330 First Officer
Posts: 1,465
Pineapple,
I have to jump in on this and then go to bed.
You are wrong. NWA ALPA negotiated somewhere around a 15% (??) pay raise across the board within a year or so of 9/11.
It might have been the last contract that we didn't have memrat for, because I remember most pilots were ****ed that we didn't get more.
Whatever it was, DC-9 captains went from making $166 per hour to well over $190.
So, maybe you should take some notes from the ONLY pilot group to negotiate HIGHER pay rates than the DAL pilot group since 9/11.
(Sorry. Couldn't resist.)
I have to jump in on this and then go to bed.
You are wrong. NWA ALPA negotiated somewhere around a 15% (??) pay raise across the board within a year or so of 9/11.
It might have been the last contract that we didn't have memrat for, because I remember most pilots were ****ed that we didn't get more.
Whatever it was, DC-9 captains went from making $166 per hour to well over $190.
So, maybe you should take some notes from the ONLY pilot group to negotiate HIGHER pay rates than the DAL pilot group since 9/11.
(Sorry. Couldn't resist.)
You are going to have to give me a reference to your above statement. Volumes of data came out during the SLI arbitrations and I never once saw a payrate that exceeded our payrates in C2K.
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