DAL early retirement 2009/2011
04-28-2011, 05:48 AM
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04-28-2011, 09:16 AM
#163
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Heyas,
As I said, the real killer for early outs is the medical insurance issue. Had we actually thought things through and merged "best practices" from both contracts, instead of running to the fDAL contract like a flock of broiler hens, then we'd might have more people leaving.
I talked with a fair number of guys and gals leaving from the last PERP. EVERY SINGLE ONE was leaving early anyway, and was just using the PERP to get a bit more jack. Had it not been for the PERP, they would have split anyway.
I didn't meet a single person where the PERP had made them decide to go early versus sticking around.
The difference in medical insurance for NWA retirees, versus DAL is huge. You can't make it up easily by throwing a couple months of cash at people.
Nu
As I said, the real killer for early outs is the medical insurance issue. Had we actually thought things through and merged "best practices" from both contracts, instead of running to the fDAL contract like a flock of broiler hens, then we'd might have more people leaving.
I talked with a fair number of guys and gals leaving from the last PERP. EVERY SINGLE ONE was leaving early anyway, and was just using the PERP to get a bit more jack. Had it not been for the PERP, they would have split anyway.
I didn't meet a single person where the PERP had made them decide to go early versus sticking around.
The difference in medical insurance for NWA retirees, versus DAL is huge. You can't make it up easily by throwing a couple months of cash at people.
Nu
04-28-2011, 10:58 AM
#164
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Heyas,
As I said, the real killer for early outs is the medical insurance issue. Had we actually thought things through and merged "best practices" from both contracts, instead of running to the fDAL contract like a flock of broiler hens, then we'd might have more people leaving.
I talked with a fair number of guys and gals leaving from the last PERP. EVERY SINGLE ONE was leaving early anyway, and was just using the PERP to get a bit more jack. Had it not been for the PERP, they would have split anyway.
I didn't meet a single person where the PERP had made them decide to go early versus sticking around.
The difference in medical insurance for NWA retirees, versus DAL is huge. You can't make it up easily by throwing a couple months of cash at people.
Nu
As I said, the real killer for early outs is the medical insurance issue. Had we actually thought things through and merged "best practices" from both contracts, instead of running to the fDAL contract like a flock of broiler hens, then we'd might have more people leaving.
I talked with a fair number of guys and gals leaving from the last PERP. EVERY SINGLE ONE was leaving early anyway, and was just using the PERP to get a bit more jack. Had it not been for the PERP, they would have split anyway.
I didn't meet a single person where the PERP had made them decide to go early versus sticking around.
The difference in medical insurance for NWA retirees, versus DAL is huge. You can't make it up easily by throwing a couple months of cash at people.
Nu
04-28-2011, 12:10 PM
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04-28-2011, 12:16 PM
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That is certainly true for a segment of the pilot population.
There's also the segment that can't leave because of **** poor personal planning. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
And the segment who's identity is so wrapped up in what they do, they can't see themselves getting a hobby, volunteering at the animal shelter, or doing anything else in life because they think chicks dig 4 bars and a combover. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what unless you take away their long sleeves and hat.
And the segment of 2nd lifers, who have kids in college, grad school, elementary school, private school, whatever. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
And the segment of folks who have a serious family issue where they need the extra cash. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
But there is a segment that has a real issue with paying an exorbitant amount of money for health insurance (where they didnt have to pay it before) for 3-5 years before medicare kicks in.
Some of those guys had a spouse with better insurance (or other alternate coverage), so I'm sure those guys were a good majority who bailed. It's not just a matter of losing your income, but a matter of losing income AND paying a huge price for medical for several years. Double whammy.
If you were to offer those guys the same "bridge" medical plan that the retiring NWA guys had, they'd be gone. If you want guys to leave, you need to concentrate on the low hanging fruit, and this is an easy fix.
Nu
04-28-2011, 02:52 PM
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04-28-2011, 02:53 PM
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But there is a segment that has a real issue with paying an exorbitant amount of money for health insurance (where they didnt have to pay it before) for 3-5 years before medicare kicks in.
If you were to offer those guys the same "bridge" medical plan that the retiring NWA guys had, they'd be gone. If you want guys to leave, you need to concentrate on the low hanging fruit, and this is an easy fix.
If you were to offer those guys the same "bridge" medical plan that the retiring NWA guys had, they'd be gone. If you want guys to leave, you need to concentrate on the low hanging fruit, and this is an easy fix.
I know pilots who retire now pay a "lot" for retiree medical, but I think a few months of cash is more than enough to cover the difference. Having said that, last time when we had the PRIP, these guys got 6-9 months of cash, and still only had about 175 leave, so I wonder just how much it would take to get a bunch of senior guys to retire?? And would paying for their medical really do it?
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04-28-2011, 03:14 PM
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Heyas Clamp,
That is certainly true for a segment of the pilot population.
There's also the segment that can't leave because of **** poor personal planning. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
And the segment who's identity is so wrapped up in what they do, they can't see themselves getting a hobby, volunteering at the animal shelter, or doing anything else in life because they think chicks dig 4 bars and a combover. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what unless you take away their long sleeves and hat.
And the segment of 2nd lifers, who have kids in college, grad school, elementary school, private school, whatever. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
And the segment of folks who have a serious family issue where they need the extra cash. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
But there is a segment that has a real issue with paying an exorbitant amount of money for health insurance (where they didnt have to pay it before) for 3-5 years before medicare kicks in.
Some of those guys had a spouse with better insurance (or other alternate coverage), so I'm sure those guys were a good majority who bailed. It's not just a matter of losing your income, but a matter of losing income AND paying a huge price for medical for several years. Double whammy.
If you were to offer those guys the same "bridge" medical plan that the retiring NWA guys had, they'd be gone. If you want guys to leave, you need to concentrate on the low hanging fruit, and this is an easy fix.
Nu
That is certainly true for a segment of the pilot population.
There's also the segment that can't leave because of **** poor personal planning. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
And the segment who's identity is so wrapped up in what they do, they can't see themselves getting a hobby, volunteering at the animal shelter, or doing anything else in life because they think chicks dig 4 bars and a combover. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what unless you take away their long sleeves and hat.
And the segment of 2nd lifers, who have kids in college, grad school, elementary school, private school, whatever. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
And the segment of folks who have a serious family issue where they need the extra cash. You're probably not going to get those guys to leave no matter what.
But there is a segment that has a real issue with paying an exorbitant amount of money for health insurance (where they didnt have to pay it before) for 3-5 years before medicare kicks in.
Some of those guys had a spouse with better insurance (or other alternate coverage), so I'm sure those guys were a good majority who bailed. It's not just a matter of losing your income, but a matter of losing income AND paying a huge price for medical for several years. Double whammy.
If you were to offer those guys the same "bridge" medical plan that the retiring NWA guys had, they'd be gone. If you want guys to leave, you need to concentrate on the low hanging fruit, and this is an easy fix.
Nu
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