BoilerUP

"Such wrong comments" in the eyes of Carl the 747 captain, despite the legal counsel for his MEC coming to the exact same conclusion I did.

How could we ever make such a foolish mistake? After all, the violation is sooooooooooo obvious!

Ya know what Carl, after reading the dozens of your [Mod Edit: delete flamebait/insults] posts in this thread, its blatantly clear that your mind is made up and absolutely nothing will change it.

As such, you've got rather limited options to achieve your objective of getting Shuttle America & Chautauqua out of DCI:

1. [Mod Edit: delete language] whining about regional pilots on APC
2. file a grievance on this issue and compel your Grievance Committee Chair/MEC to pursue it to its legal end, or
3. File a DFR Lawsuit against your MEC and ALPA National for failing to enforce your scope clause. After all, you're so sure of an ALPA conspiracy to win representation of RAH pilots away from IBT at the expense of their largest (and most financially-supporting) pilot group that such a lawsuit would be a slam dunk...right?

So let me appeal to the ego that you've shown us all is so strong.

I'm so certain after reading the DALPA scope clause that there is no violation here with RAH subsidiaries that I'll bet you $100, paid to the charity of your choice, that if this reaches an Arbitrator the ruling will come back in favor of the Company.

If I'm right, you contribute $100 to March of Dimes...if you're right, I'll contribute the C-note to whichever charity you want and publicly state that I was incorrect in my interpretation of DALPA's contract.

Deal?

Carl Spackler

Again, I've never said anyone should fall on their sword. I've only said that people like you with an incurable entitlement mentality need to realize the consequences of YOUR actions. I CHOOSE to stay on the 747 while fighting during each negotiations to raise the bar for all pilots at my airline. You CHOOSE to not fight for anything, and blame major pilots for you not realizing your dream. Then you CHOOSE to ridicule our efforts to raise the bar by stating that we've just taken the money from other pilots in the industry, and helped to destroy the industry by asking for too much.

That's not how you would fix the rates at Delta. That's up to Delta pilots to fight for it. What would fix YOUR rates is YOU fighting for it.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I've posted the reason for this. I posted that this would be their reason months BEFORE the NMB ruled one way or the other.

Yawn.

I'll leave that up to you.

Previous posts show how that mechanism cannot work.

That may well be exactly what happens. Or a major recall of LEC reps may pre-empt that action. It depends on how many pilots realize what ALPA is doing here. It has nothing to do with the scope language. It has everything to do with not making RAH pilots angry and getting them to join ALPA someday.

Stop being such a drama queen. This will never reach an arbitrator as I have previously posted. The ALPA side of the grievance will agree with the company. That makes the vote 0 - YES, 2 - NO. Grievance lost, thus no need for an arbitrator to break the tie.

Carl

cornbeef007

Now, I'm a little new to the 90's politics and actions that place within the industry during that time. Comair went on strike, because they wanted to raise the bar(which they did). This action in turn hurt Delta mainline and Comair pilots are now a black sheep in the eyes of many Delta pilots. How could you expect me to fight for the cause, when the respect and recognition of my peers(Delta mainline)is not assured. I agree 100% that fighting for benefits and compensation at the regional level is mandatory in order to stop the erosion of scope. My question is; are mainline guys going to stand behind us in the event a strike occurs, which will in turn hurt mainlines bottom line and expose you and your family to financial risk.

Carl, I do believe we need more support from guys like yourself. This started with the senior pilot group throwing the junior folks under the bus. With the senior pilots involved in this fight, we have the support needed to turn this thing around. Thank you

BoilerUP

Carl, despite you responding to my posts, its quite clear you didn't actually read anything I wrote...and if you did, you certainly didn't comprehend it.

Best of luck with your DFR suit and/or recall effort...

Carl Spackler

There are others here far more qualified to speak on this subject than I since I was a Northwest guy. But Comair pilots did some inexcusably cruel and downright dumb things to Delta pilots in their relationship with Delta.

Abso-freakin-lutely!! I would tell any chief pilot to go pound sand from any request to fly struck work. Period!

If you don't remember anything else, please understand this: It started because the VAST MAJORITY of major pilots bought in to lies and scare tactics about scope. We were all told that our companies couldn't survivie without the ability to have what American had with American Eagle. We were then told that it would help grow the majors because of all the hub traffic. We were then told that even if it didn't, we'd be getting an "iron-clad" no furlough clause to ensure that our junior pilots didn't take the hit. These arguments won the day (I'm ashamed to say) and senior pilots, middle pilots, and junior pilots ALL voted YES. Nobody through anybody under the bus. Can I be any clearer on that?

Just senior pilots couldn't accomplish a darn thing. All seniority levels of pilots are involved in this fight now, but none of us thought we'd be fighting ALPA as hard as management. Interesting times.

Carl

Check Essential

Boiler-
Just for the sake of argument let's say I accept ALPA's bizarre "certificate" definition of an air carrier. So ---

Chautauqua flies "doing business as" Frontier. Says so on their certificate.
Frontier flies aircraft that violate scope.

Therefore Chautauqua is in violation of section 1.D.2.
You can't be "doing business as" Frontier and still claim to be separate from Frontier. Not even an ALPA lawyer would stand up in court and say that.

Justdoinmyjob

The animosity between Delta mainline and Comair pilots has nothing to do with the strike. The mainline pilots supported the strike by auditing flights to stop struck flying, walked the picket line, and let Comair use our SPC.

It has everything to do with the seniority grab PID, RJDC, and Lawson's furlough letter.

Carl Spackler

Excellent point check, but even more important is this: Clearly there's a shell game going on. Clearly this is being done to get around the intent of our scope and that of other carriers. Judges take a very dim view of people who so blatantly try to work around what is clear intent.

If ALPA grieved this, we would win. Period. The problem is, that would alienate the current RAH pilots, and ALPA does not want that. Thus, no grievance.

Carl

TenYearsGone

like this ?--->The route will be operated on Frontier’s 37-seat Embraer 135 aircraft and feature continuing service to Ironwood Gogebic-Iron County Airport in Michigan’s upper peninsula.
“Our new service reflects Frontier’s ongoing commitment to providing the people of Wisconsin with convenient and affordable air travel,” said Daniel Shurz, vice president of strategy and planning for Frontier.
Also on April 18, Frontier will begin nonstop service between Mitchell and Manistee County Blacker Airport in Michigan.


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