jetlink

I wouldn't be so sure, UA plans for dealing with increased in retirements, is to outsource as many block hours as they can to regionals operating bigger A/Cs. Not a good sign.

170Homie

Thanks to ME??? I won't even go there with you. That horse is dead. As far as disappointed, not quite. My goal isn't a US airline anyway. Oh, and by the way, in case you didn't realize, we ALL work for peanuts.

slumav505

that's why scope is so important. this industry is in for a fight over the next 10 years. United can have the plans they want but if this 1500 hour thing goes down and these duty rules don't get messed with there may not be much left to outsource too.

BoilerUP

100 seat flying can only be outsourced to regionals if mainline pilots allow for it to happen.

Kinda like 76 seat jets...

And 70 seat jets...

And 50 seat jets...

merlyn1343

Not all want to work for ANY regional but like me and MANY other fellow pilots who don't have a job and have a house and kids and so on and so on we have to do what we have to do to pay the bills.....yes I agree working for any regional is not going to make you rich but it will at least give those of us out of a job and some kind of since of worth. I am a 4700 TT pilot with 4000+ jet/Turbine 2 types and a clean record and cannot get a interview with any respectable Major airline.. So if all I can get right now is peanuts then so be it... SO what if I get more TT and another type the way I see it is I am increasing my worth when I do get a call from a Major... just my .02 worth

CptMrgn

Yup, keep plugg'n along. This is a race of endurance. Many are falling behind and falling out of formation.

Carl Spackler

Pay attention here ace. Airline managements can do whatever they think they can get away with. If unionized employees don't agree, they can ask their union reps to file a grievance. If the union doesn't want to because they have ulterior motives that they do not want to discuss with their members, said employees have little recourse outside of replacing their union. Many of us are attempting to do just that.

Your post above may have been true a decade ago, but times have changed. A320 flying has been outsourced at Delta Air Lines. We didn't "allow" for that, we negotiated specific language against that. But our union will not fight to defend it. Understand now?

Carl

Carl Spackler

This is illustrative of a HUGE problem for the pilot profession. "We have to do what we have to do to pay the bills..." Really? Even if it means your actions are shrinking the very companies that you hope to join one day? How do you justify your actions that keep food on your table, but require furloughs from the majors? Don't the food on THOSE guys tables count?

I had been furloughed 4 times by 1982 when American Airlines sent me a note to come and interview for a pilot slot under their all new "B scale." When I found out what a B scale meant, I turned down the interview. I REALLY needed the work, but I found a corporate job instead. If you're not prepared to do that, you're probably dooming yourself to be a regional lifer. But more importantly, your work is destroying a once proud profession by agreeing to work under any terms.

Even if it means furloughing a major guy whose flying you accepted as outsourced flying? Will you really do anything for money?

When you get a call from a major? Don't you see that your current actions are all but preventing that from ever happening?

Carl

ToiletDuck

Or mgmt takes it during bk

170Homie

Says the 747 Captain Just saying...