sticky

We do. You throw us under the bus in the hopes of protecting yourself. Now we have to fight to get everything back you threw away with the goal of protecting ALL professional pilots whether they operate 50 or 250 seats. By raising the bottom, we lessen the advantage of "outsoucing".

Incredibly, there are people like you that fight against that goal because you still believe the imaginary difference between regional pilots and mainlines pilots is real and you'll be better off separate.

RAH achieved E135 to A321 rates on ONE seniority list. That is the first step to returning to pay and benefits from a generation ago.

ToiletDuck

Very true. Hopefully lessons have been learned and they'll be able to recapture scope during contract negotiations.

slumav505

+1. This is the most important thing to happen in all of this. Now we can move on. Scope needs to be locked down industry wide.

TenYearsGone

I am proud of the Comair guys. However, you know the sour taste in my mouth has a little bit to do with the Comair guys (DAL furlough era-karma). <--water under the bridge for now.

Now imagine if all other regionals did what the Comair guys did:
-- One,there would be no other low bidder (Rah, TSA etc) because everybody fought for a better and higher contract.

--Two, slowly but surely the contract flying would stop and the mainline airlines would grow, thus creating more mainline gigs. There would be no cost advantage for the mainlines to "farm" out their flying.

**I agree Mainline Alpa/Pilots gave away scope too easily. It will be hard work to regain it. Sometimes decisions need to be thought out 20 steps ahead of the outcome. I am sure with the relief of scope, no one imagined the outcome to be like it is today.


Ten

zoooropa

It is not a good thing if the airbus rates are eventually reduced. I fail to see any benefit in adding airbus rates of pay to the chq CBA unless they are higher and include the following...

Trip rig
Duty rig
Cx pay
Reassignment pay
Retirement (FAPA current book is 11% annual contribution, 401k match and DC Plan)

What have you actually accomplished if any of these terms are less than status quo?

TenYearsGone

Sticky,

I am confused Did the Rah pilots' have a pay scale for Airbus before the Frontier buyout or did Frontier pilots' negotiate the Airbus rates and you guys get to take advantage of those rates after the buyout.?

I am asking this because I see only E190/170 rates for the Republic contract and they are pretty low.

Please clarify. The rumor I hear is the Frontier Pilots' negotiated for their Airbus rates pretty recently, yet the Republic pilots' cant even negotiate for new higher rates on their Rjs.

Ten

sticky

Oh. My. God.....Zoo...are we actually on the same page?!?! I would vote NO to any CBA that reduces airbus pay or F9 benifits.

sticky

gladly. ONE seniority list is the first step. The RAH contract is from 2003 long before F9 became a part of RAH and did not in include airbuses.

TenYearsGone

Ok, thanks. Your statement made it seem like RAH negotiated rates. You might not want to bloat your facts, second you need to give credit/thanks to the Frontier pilots for increasing your career worth with those Airbus rates.

Take care,

TEN

sticky

nice try Ten. My use of the english languge was correct regardless of your attempt to imply I wrongly suggested the IBT achieved airbus rates.

the IBT achieved ONE list. Feel better?