787's serious problems ... Boeing's in a hole
03-20-2011, 04:15 PM
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For those who are looking to bash Boeing about outsourcing any chance they get, I refer you to the quote above. This is very common in new aircraft design. Boeing built an aggressive product, and it has been successful on 95% of its promises. As the design gets more mature, this will improve.
Boeing would love to have these components built in house, with competitive labor rates, but Boeing's unions drove the labor rates out of the water to the point that it was no longer competitive to do much of the work in house, therefore Boeing began outsourcing. People who turn wrenches making huge salaries with triple time on Sunday would not allow Boeing to stay price competitive.
Anyone who has been to Detroit recently knows what unions with too much power can do...
Boeing would love to have these components built in house, with competitive labor rates, but Boeing's unions drove the labor rates out of the water to the point that it was no longer competitive to do much of the work in house, therefore Boeing began outsourcing. People who turn wrenches making huge salaries with triple time on Sunday would not allow Boeing to stay price competitive.
Anyone who has been to Detroit recently knows what unions with too much power can do...
Oh, I guess it was non-competitive labor rates that drove Boeing to buy the South Carolina plant...or to take work away from Alenia. Maybe quality does matter. Not that the management team should take any heat for building an airplane 22,000 lbs overweight...
Which 95% has it been successful on? The 3 years late and still rolling backwards? Weight? Range? How about dispatch reliability? 95% across the board isn't even competitive with current generation stuff. Maybe in 3 years they'll get the 7/8/7 delivery as they promised.
Get a clue. Step away from the Faux News channel and the talking points from the anti-union crowd. Then, after you realize that almost all of those import companies use union labor at home, you can talk about price competitiveness.
03-20-2011, 06:35 PM
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You need to get over your knee-jerk union hating mentality. It will just make you continue to excuse extremely poor managerial decisions. Poor management needs to be terminated for the sake of the shareholders...not excused.
Carl
03-20-2011, 08:56 PM
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